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Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:32PM (#33373699)
> In fact conservatives often go the length and argue against the very existence of transgender people, offering violence as a solution.

This is just factually incorrect.

Nobody denies people exist that identify as trans. Some people deny the identity is accurate, but no major conservatives are denying gender dysphoria is a thing. Are you seriously suggesting denying a self identity is denying the existence of that person?

Conservatives also are not calling for violence against trans people.

Please stop with this rhetoric. You are acting like the conservatives of your imagination that you are bashing.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Comevius on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:27PM (#33374479)
I'm seriously suggesting that denying someone's place in society is denying their existence, yes.

Conservative government officials, media commentators and militias are regularly attacking transgender people with real-life consequences. It's not just legislative attacks and information campaigns, but harassment and violent attacks.

It's a culture of hate, and there is no excuse for it, and it should be called out.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:18PM (#33376257)
>I'm seriously suggesting that denying someone's place in society is denying their existence, yes.

What do you mean denying someone's place in society? Are there are bunch of conservatives denying jobs to trans people or something?

You are being too hyperbolic.

>Conservative government officials, media commentators and militias are regularly attacking transgender people with real-life consequences. It's not just legislative attacks and information campaigns, but harassment and violent attacks.

Please show me conservatives physically attacking or advocating for the physical attacks against trans people.

Harassment is more of a subjective thing. Some people think the Babylon Bee's satire is harassment. I don't think it is. I also don't see any genuine harassment. Please provide examples.

>It's a culture of hate, and there is no excuse for it, and it should be called out.

I have yet to see any hate. Please show me some examples.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Comevius on Friday October 28, 2022 @05:17PM (#33378034)
Source: the entire conservative media from Fox News to Breitbart, social media, the paper below comparing left-wing, right-wing and Islamist political violence, anti-LGBTQ violence and attacks on pride festivals, anti-abortion violence, shooting sprees, bombings, the Capitol attack, MAGA Republicans and Trump himself, QAnon, white supremacists, militias, incels.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

https://www.adl.org/research-centers/center-on-extremism

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/01/05/a...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Causal racism + transphobia + xenophobia + scientific illiteracy + the impact font = conservative memes

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti...

> I have yet to see any hate.

You have, it's everywhere. Just drop in any of these words (gender study, transgender, sea level rise, climate change, sustainable development, liberal, Democrat, socialism, feminism, globalism, women's rights, representation, diversity, science, education, racial justice, critical race theory, mainstream media, vaccine, Hunter Biden, George Soros) as a bait to anywhere on conservative spaces and watch the hate flow.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:14PM (#33378654)
I think you are confusing things. Being critical of things is not hate. If that is your definition then sorry to tell you but we aren't working with the same definitions.

No point of debating when you think saying Hunter Biden committed crimes is the same as hate.

Violence has been happening much more from the left when it comes to topics you brought up.

There is significantly more violence on the pro abortion side. Look at all the prolife institutions that were damaged and destroyed. It is peanuts against the pro choice facilities. And to top it off some of them were attacks by leftists to frame the right.

Huge amount of racists crap written on walls and stuff have been hoaxes written by the group targeted. Look at Buba Wallace and Jussie Smollett. Look at the the rise in hate crimes against Asians. It isn't exactly happening from a common Trump demographic.

The left has been leading in violence and hate. Regardless the violence and hate is quite minimal. If all you see is hate and violence then you need to get off the internet and as the kids say touch grass.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Comevius on Friday October 28, 2022 @07:55PM (#33379514)
Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass? Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you.

Criticizing Hunter Biden is not specifically hate, but then again people are not criticizing him, they are spreading conspiracy theories about him. It is yet to be proved that he committed any crime, but his privacy has been already thoroughly violated. Steve Bannon famously said that he doesn't feel good about it, but they are in war. Hunter's entire life was on that laptop, and it was straight up weaponized. Now he is a subject to many QAnon conspiracy theories, and fictional retellings.

> Look at all the prolife institutions

You mean anti-abortion institutions? There are barely any sources for violence against them. I don't think most people know about them. You don't see people attacking churches either. Anti-abortion violence is frequent, it's everywhere, it's a serious issue.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Friday October 28, 2022 @08:42PM (#33379771)
>Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass?

It is the exact opposite. I think this proves my point that you need to get out.

Please provide me some Fox or Newsmax links promoting hate and violence though. I would be interested in seeing what you call violence and hate.

>Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you.

I was suggesting you touch grass not people you listen to.

>Criticizing Hunter Biden is not specifically hate, but then again people are not criticizing him, they are spreading conspiracy theories about him.

Conspiracy theories are not hate or violence.

>It is yet to be proved that he committed any crime, but his privacy has been already thoroughly violated.

Not violence or hate. I don't think the repair shop should have gone through the laptop, but it did become the repair shops property after Hunter failed to pick it up.

>Steve Bannon famously said that he doesn't feel good about it, but they are in war.

I don't care what he says about feeling good. Regardless he didn't say kill Hunter or whatever you think conservatives are saying.

>Hunter's entire life was on that laptop, and it was straight up weaponized. Now he is a subject to many QAnon conspiracy theories, and fictional retellings.

Again, not violence or hate.

>You mean anti-abortion institutions?

No. I mean organizations that help people who are not aborting. Providing diapers, money, doctor's services are not anti abortion.

>There are barely any sources for violence against them.

Perhaps you should check what happened after Dobbs.

>I don't think most people know about them.

Most people don't know about the violence and destruction they are experiencing.

>You don't see people attacking churches either.

It doesn't happen often, but it did happen quite a lot after Dobbs. Also Canada had a lot of Churches burned a while back.

>Anti-abortion violence is frequent, it's everywhere, it's a serious issue.

Like I said, touch some grass. You need to get off the internet and talk to real people if you think it is frequent. Spending too much time on the internet skews your mind and causes you to think things are getting so bad in the world. Things aren't perfect, but violence is relatively low and things are OK.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by zimpenfish on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:43AM (#33381317)
> violence is relatively low and things are OK

[1] disagrees with you.

[1] https://prochoice.org/national-abortion-federation-releases-...

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:59PM (#33386432)
> disagrees with you

Good for them.

The problem with crap like that is saying that praying outside an abortion clinic is considered harassment which is considered violence. They say if people are outside that scares people from going into the clinic which means they are blocking access. It is nonsense.

Second, some of the attacks outside of clinics were from pro abortion people. That site is bias and making it look like they were all pro lifers.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Comevius on Saturday October 29, 2022 @03:46AM (#33381932)
Nothing you are saying invalidates these studies. It's not especially hard to run into this kind of hate out in the streets either, and if you are running an abortion clinic you pretty much have to deal with it on a daily basis.

While we were talking a conservative man went to Nancy Pelosi's house looking for her and attacked her husband with a hammer. This was just one of the many high-profile incidents that occurred since the attack on the US Capitol.

This is a pattern. It's a culture of hate as I said, just in the United States alone at least 10 million people is fuming with hate, ready to snap on a moment's notice thanks to conservative media riling them up with conspiracy theories.

Things are not okay at all. The United States came close to the brink on January 6, 2021. The conservatives and their idea of a Christian theocracy checks all the marks of fascism, and they are not going to abandon it. History likely won't repeat itself verbatim, but it can sure rhyme, and a lot of people will be worst for it.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:57PM (#33386411)
Please just stop. The person who attacked Pelosi's husband was a leftist.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/paul-pelosi-attacker-david-dep...

You need to get outside and stop going on the internet so much.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by detaro on Saturday October 29, 2022 @02:02PM (#33386464)
I don't see where that article provides any evidence for "The person who attacked Pelosi's husband was a leftist.", if anything it suggests the opposite.

Edit: ok, spent the few minutes tracking down an archive copy of the mentioned blogs, and ranting about "climate hysteria", "why colleges are becoming Cults", "communism is a revolution sponsored by wallstreet" and "Groomer schools" doesn't seem like usual leftist talking points.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by _-david-_ on Saturday October 29, 2022 @02:24PM (#33386654)
None of those are necessarily right wing views.

Many average liberals agree with all of those. I consider liberals to be leftists, I know there is contention on that label though.

I hold a more strict view than most people on what is right wing which may be causing my different view. I consider all liberals including classical liberals to be left wing.

I would mention that "San Francisco pro-nudist activist Gypsy" isn't exactly a very right wing sort of position.

He was also a hemp jewelry maker.

At best he was in the center in common American parlance.