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Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by everdrive on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:54AM (#33372111)
> That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on

Ignoring the context of the article, I don’t believe that the example you’ve given here is really fair. It’s perfectly valid to review something which you could not create. If we excluded that whole category, then reviews would mostly cease to exist, and only peer review would be possible.

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by thunderbong on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:10AM (#33372366)
IMHO, the world would be a better place of people who're qualified in a particular subject would opine in their area of expertise.

Nowadays, we have every Tom, Dick and Harry commenting on anything and everything, regardless of how informed, educated or even experienced in the area they want to criticize.

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by Koshkin on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:19AM (#33372482)
> IMHO

I would like to hear an expert's opinion on this though.

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by crazygringo on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:38AM (#33372821)
Well done. Almost spit out my coffee here from laughing. :)
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by futuretim on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:26AM (#33372592)
OMG. I created an account on here literally just to say, "Bravo!" Nice LOL in the morning.
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by semidetached on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:33AM (#33372718)
An expert or a so-called expert?
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by thunderbong on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:05PM (#33373260)
Touché
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by ilyt on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:13PM (#33373396)
> IMHO, the world would be a better place of people who're qualified in a particular subject would opine in their area of expertise.

You can go to sites or youtubers that specialise with reviewing stuff.

The problem is that it's just opinion of a single person & they can be easily bought or swayed so even if you have "experts" reviewing it that doesn't mean quality.

Also don't need an expert to tell you some piece of shit of a device fell apart after a month...

But I do wish that the reviews on sites were actually stuff people write month+ after getting the thing instead of "well, I got it, it works, I tried it for 5 minutes"

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by nelsonic on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:08AM (#33372332)
Totally agree! Peer review is the only valid feedback in many situations. You don’t see many ultra-successful serial entrepreneurs doubting on Elon! You see many of them driving Teslas.

As someone who has been in the kitchen since childhood, I can appreciate how difficult great food is to create! If I taste something inferior I’m going to be specific with my feedback for improvement, highlighting the good points not just focus on the negatives.

Drives me nuts when at a restaurant with friends/family who haven’t put in the time in the kitchen and couldn’t hope to create a delicious meal dissing the food … if you can’t make something better, either shut up or try to be helpful with your feedback! Being critical is so easy and cliché.

The world needs more optimistic Elons not more doubters.

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by TheDudeMan on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:12AM (#33372385)
> Totally agree!

Um, your response is not agreement.

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by SketchySeaBeast on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:56AM (#33373106)
I can't make a cell phone, so if my new cell phone constantly drops calls I'm not allowed to say it's a bad cell phone?
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by filoleg on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:00PM (#33374134)
You can, because your feedback is constructive and specific.

If you said "idk, this phone just sucks, because i feel like it does and idk how it could be made better", that would fall under "useless complaints". But saying "my phone drops calls often" is a specific complaint with a very specific (implied) improvement suggestion ("make phone not drop calls").

Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by SketchySeaBeast on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:41PM (#33374646)
So the cooking thing would be totally valid if the person just said "It was too salty?", allowing the relatively uneducated/unskilled to make claims about quality even though they could never reproduce it? That's not how the original claim was framed.
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by filoleg on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:46AM (#33382208)
I agree thay even with "it was too salty", it could be entirely baseless. However, "it was too salty" is still infinitely better than "idk it isnt good". Even if "it was too salty" was incorrect. But that is purely a personal opinion, and imo there is nothing that can substantiate it much.
Re:Welcome to Hell, Elon by SirSourdough on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:19PM (#33373509)
Although I think it’s always kind to be polite and constructive with feedback, I totally disagree that you have to be as capable a cook as the chef to critique their food.

You don’t have to be a culinary wizard to tell when many foods are overcooked, underseasoned, etc. Sometimes chefs just screw up and a dish has outright unpleasant qualities.

Most people have hundreds or thousands of points of comparison for high-quality food even if they can’t make it themselves. If a restaurant bills itself as high-quality and then doesn’t live up to that standard I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say so.

Is peer review more valuable? Probably. But most restaurant guests aren’t chefs so pleasing non-chefs is valuable too.