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Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by 323 on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:12AM (#33370936)
The only way to force fine payment is to threaten with a ban otherwise. If Twitter doesn't pay the fine, what does the EU do?
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by pjc50 on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:20AM (#33371037)
Sue them? The EU has a number of court systems. And in quite a lot of circumstances EU judgements are enforceable in the US. https://iclg.com/practice-areas/enforcement-of-foreign-judgm...
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by abudabi123 on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:20AM (#33371030)
I believe in France the fine is felt and companies like Twitter comply with the rules. Whereas in the U.S. a fine is expensed as part of the cost of doing business and rules are broken repeatedly. Worse case is a long battle in the courts and after more than a decade they settle out of court for a little money and noone is held responsible.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by xxs on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:22AM (#33371050)
Seize any assets within the EU. Likely get into 'contempt of court' situation - which might prevent any executives travel to any EU country. To my knowledge there is on such precedent so far, though.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by data_maan on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:09AM (#33371580)
Can you name that precedent? Would be interesting to know
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by xxs on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:07AM (#33372319)
cant type: on = no
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by TheCoelacanth on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:27PM (#33373618)
Is there a precedent for it not happening, i.e. a company being court-ordered to pay a fine and just deciding not to pay it without consequences?
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by hef19898 on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:16AM (#33370982)
Go after executives? Or, assuming Twitter will be private one day, after the owner(s)? Freeze assets? Go through the WTO and US authorities?
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by collegeburner on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:21AM (#33371039)
i doubt America would back that since at that point twitter is doing nothing illegal here. just refusing to block eu citizens. similar to how extradition generally requires something being a crime in both countries.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by hef19898 on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:24AM (#33371084)
Not blocking certain users in a jurisdiction where these blocks are required by law is, by definition, illegal. Obviously, some countries have more power to enforce those things than others. Also obviously, the EU is among the front runners of power to be able to enforce those things. And I am fairly sure the US won't start a trade war over Twitter the way the EU and the US did over Airbus and Boeing.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by collegeburner on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:21PM (#33373526)
no it's not, because the internet doesn't require you to be present in some place so you are not subject to that jurisdiction. i do not recognize the jurisdiction of a country to demand a block of its citizens from a company located in an entirely different nation, and i doubt American courts would either.

like imagine i host a human rights site. if iran says it is illegal for me to provide access to content supporting womens rights to iranian citizens, it is not "illegal" for me to continue doing so because i am American, i live in America, and i operate only by American laws. America would not extradite me to iran for failing to comply with their internet rules.

Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by hef19898 on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:23PM (#33374432)
Fair enough, unless you choose to operate in, e.g., Iran. Now you have options:

1) follow Iranian law

2a) not follow Iranian law and be blocked

2c) not follow Iranian law, circumvent any blocking and be prosecuted

2c obviously wont matter much in the case of Iran, in other cases it might. And while the US wont extradite you, other countries might. And there is still the option of abusing Interpol and red notices, again maybe not a problem in case of Iran and US internet co executives.

You know who thought the same way you do? German citizen living in NZ Kim Dotcom. You know who disagreed? The US DoJ. Would be about time if other countries would do the same to certain US entities, wouldn't it?

Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by NoBreakfirst on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:51AM (#33372068)
See : the spying allegation issues by the US against a French CEO of Alstom. He went straight to jail.

It’s fairly commonly recognized it’s was a ploy to force the sell of Alstom to GE, as opposed to a Chinese joint venture

Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by NoBreakfirst on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:50AM (#33372041)
No; that was the US does. See Alstom French CEO jailed in the US because he wanted to sell to Chinese and not GE.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by DocTomoe on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:13AM (#33370950)
They could go the US route and threaten kidnapping and/or assassination of the CEO.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by NoBreakfirst on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:52AM (#33372083)
You are referring to Alstom guy right ? Straight up kidnapping indeed.
Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by DocTomoe on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:47AM (#33372963)
Frédéric Pierucci. There's also that Huawei woman...Meng Wanzhou?

What is right for the US must be right for the EU, right?

Re:In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules by NoBreakfirst on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:48AM (#33372022)
Fine them more ? No but seriously, legal consequence are not always backed by a army threat.

Twitter want to be in good standing in regard to the laws.

Why would they bother pay taxes at all anywhere otherwise ?