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Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rafaelero on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:00PM (#33365721)
> You cant say a diet (vegan) that requires artificial produced supplementation (vitamin b12) in order for you to survive is the optimal diet for humans.

You know animals don't produce B12 as well, right? They come from bacteria in the soil.

> The longest living populations are eating diets that are heavy on plants yes, but not vegetarian or vegan.

Take a look at the Seven-day Adventist study (the population with the highest longevity ever recorded). Between this group, the ones excluding all animal products from the diet actually live longer than the rest.

Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rcarr on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:39PM (#33366042)
> You know animals don't produce B12 as well, right? They come from bacteria in the soil.

Good luck with your soil recipes.

> Take a look at the Seven-day Adventist study (the population with the highest longevity ever recorded). Between this group, the ones excluding all animal products from the diet actually live longer than the rest.

Not true. Pesco-vegetarians had a lower death rate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/

Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by myshpa on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:56PM (#33366152)
> Good luck with your soil recipes.

Farm animals eat tons of added B12 in their feed.

Grazing animals get their B12 from dirt, because they don't wash their greens.

If you purchase B12 fortified vegan foods, you don't have to eat supplements.

When you wash your salads and don't eat fortified foods, then you should eat B12 supplements ... there are vegan B12 supplements from algae on the market.

Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rafaelero on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:14PM (#33366290)
> Good luck with your soil recipes.

Wtf.

> Not true. Pesco-vegetarians had a lower death rate.

They are not statistically distinguishable.

Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rcarr on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:41PM (#33366488)
If they’re not “statistically distinguishable” why are you trying to claim the vegans have higher longevity?
Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rafaelero on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:37PM (#33366916)
Because between non-meat eaters and meat eaters there's a statistically significant reduction, while between vegans and fish-eaters there isn't?
Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rcarr on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:50PM (#33367012)
So I stated:

> The longest living populations are eating diets that are heavy on plants yes, but not vegetarian or vegan.

The people longest living at the adventist church are pesco-vegetarians which are not vegetarians as far as I’m concerned. Also as far as I’m aware, there is no significant difference between the Adventist church goers in terms of life expectancy and the other blue zones, which are also consuming small to moderate amounts of meat, dairy, fish and alcohol.

Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rafaelero on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:11PM (#33367191)
Again, there is no statistically significant difference between fish-eaters and vegetarians.
Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rcarr on Friday October 28, 2022 @05:58AM (#33369517)
You’re cherry picking data to suit your argument is what you’re doing.
Re:Humans and our livestock account for 96% of all mammal bi... by rafaelero on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:29PM (#33387677)
What a ridiculous comment. I made a very simple remark over statistical significance and I am cherry picking?? Enough of Internet for today.