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Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by idiotsecant on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:24PM (#33361795)
Oh great, only 300TWH of batteries! Let's put in the P.O.! Who is supplying those, again?
Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by bryanlarsen on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:17PM (#33362609)
300TWh of batteries per decade is a lot easier than 90 million barrels of oil per day yet somehow we manage to do the latter.
Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by jjk166 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:34PM (#33362858)
At current battery prices of $132/kwh and oil at $88/barrel, 300 TWh of batteries per decade is actually 40% more expensive than 90 million barrels of oil per day.
Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by megaman821 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:57PM (#33363159)
Damn, we are that close. We are using expensive, high-density batteries meant for electronics and transportation for stationary storage. CATL is already claiming $40-$50/kwh for sodium ion batteries that begin production next year. In five years there will be even more grid-targeting battery solutions on the market at low price points.
Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by scythe on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:56PM (#33363925)
From a practical business perspective, the falling prices of batteries may not be ideal from an investor's perspective. If I buy $100M of batteries and the price drops 50% in five years, I just "lost" 50 million dollars. You'd have to be at a point where the proceeds to storage exceed the depreciation of the product in order to pencil out, I think. So a lot of storage that could be built probably won't be built until the technology war shakes out.

>CATL is already claiming $40-$50/kwh for sodium ion batteries that begin production next year.

Tried to look this up, but didn't find anything. Where's that?

Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by megaman821 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:08PM (#33364074)
To be fair they stated it in the most roundabout way (40%-50% cheaper than LFP batteries) and with no time horizon. I think I got that from reports on their recent shareholder meeting but I will have to look it up better.
Re:Why Is Hydroelectricity So Green, and yet Unfashionable? by 7952 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:35PM (#33364362)
Its not like you can easily sign a PO for a pumped storage site either. Large scale civil engineering is still difficult in most places. And surely it requires lots of survey and design work.

With batteries you can design the site, get consents and order battery units off the peg in under a year.