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Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by selfhoster11 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:24PM (#33360920)
Excuse the strong language, but what the fuck else can they do about it?

Corporate polluters are by far the worst, and if the government (which is full of pro-corporate lobbying) has not set up a strong industry regulator with sharp teeth, then the private citizen can do fuck all about it, legally speaking. Which is where you get people gluing themselves to private property and historical artworks, because that's only mildly illegal and unlikely to land one in prison for as long as some other available courses of action - like assasination of the CEOs of those polluting companies.

We are way, way past the point where individual responsibility on the part of each citizen can fix the problem. For one, there are few alternatives available to live a greener lifestyle. For two, even if alternatives are available, the majority of the society (yes, even in the West) simply isn't paid well enough to implement these in the timeframes that we need to meet to not kill the planet (which is now, not "in a couple of decades").

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by DiggyJohnson on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:35PM (#33361087)
Just because a person does not have an effective means of doing something about a problem, does not justify bizarre antics. If a person does not have anything useful they can do, ... well, don't do something crazy just because you feel stuck.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by giraffe_lady on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:17PM (#33361695)
Accept your powerlessness with meekness and do not attempt to disrupt or even annoy the systems that caused it? You can't be surprised that people don't accept that bargain.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by pvaldes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:39PM (#33362033)
> do not attempt to disrupt or even annoy the systems that caused it?

To start, lets don't blame Van Gogh, Vermeer or Monet for the climate change.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by svnt on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:00PM (#33362363)
Literally no one is. Are people really this dense. Do you think anyone will be going to art museums in a +4C world?
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by jjgreen on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:47PM (#33365038)
In Scotland, yes.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by svnt on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:59PM (#33362341)
Yeah, I mean, just sit down and conform while someone steals your children’s futures. What’s the big deal? Do don’t anything crazy.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by drewcoo on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:09PM (#33362484)
You are advocating "learned helplessness."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/learned-helplessne...

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:32PM (#33361041)
Omit the word "else" from your first paragraph. This isn't "doing something about it" either. This is just a different way of pretending to do something about it.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by selfhoster11 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:35PM (#33361089)
Ineffective and ridiculous protest is still a form of protest. In the absence of other options, it's better than doing nothing at all.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by such12 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:52PM (#33361326)
There are all kinds of people doing serious climate change research, politics, business, etc.

Other options certainly do exist.

This ridiculous and ineffective protest only serves to make people fighting climate change look ridiculous.

That only hurts the movement.

It would be better if these individuals had done nothing at all.

Better yet - if they don’t know what to do about climate change, they can do any paying job, and donate their money to someone who does.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by r3trohack3r on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:05PM (#33362445)
I believe there are two camps in the eco movement. One camp believes humans need to address our impact on the ecosystem. The other believes humans are the problem.

You see this split in the movement around extinction. Folks will shame humans for causing an animal to go extinct while simultaneously coming out in opposition to re-introducing extinct animals to their ecosystem through genetic research (I.e the Wholly Mammoth project).

I’d sum up the split as: one group wants to do something about it. The other wants humans to “just stop.”

Your list of solutions only work for the former group.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by such12 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:35PM (#33362865)
> Your list of solutions only work for the former group.

I don’t see why this distinction changes anything. Gluing your head to an old painting is ridiculous and counterproductive either way.

If someone believes the solution to climate change is either fewer humans, or less human activity, there are certainly constructive actions they could take.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by rnd0 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:23PM (#33362699)
and the other group deserve to have no part of the conversation at all.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by r3trohack3r on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:41PM (#33362956)
FWIW I’m in the “humans are awesome and need to fix this camp”

Fortunately we don’t live in a society where we get to dictate who is in the conversation. We have to have conversations with them and spread the good word of humanity.

I don’t think many of these people understand our planet is dying regardless of humans. 75% of all life on earth is behind us IIUC. Life has been here for 4Bn years, we have another 500m to 800m left in our carbon cycle before it grinds to a halt.

This planet is heading towards a complete extinction event. Unless life manages to colonize other planets, finds a way to artificially maintain the carbon cycle, or replaces the carbon cycle, all life on earth is going to die relatively soon.

Humans are our best shot at accomplishing that imo. I don’t see any other species close enough to figuring that out on these timelines. Stopping the wheel of progress for humans dooms this planet to certain death.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by selfhoster11 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:55PM (#33365119)
> There are all kinds of people doing serious climate change research, politics, business, etc.

Not everyone can be, and not everyone can afford to support, people like this. Donations are great, assuming you actually have any disposable income after paying off the soaring costs of rent, food, and energy bills.

The way I see it, we throw stuff at the wall to have a chance of acquiring critical mass for change now, or we can wait until it’s too late and we are guaranteed to hit critical mass because people will start feeling the pain and will want to do something about it.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by ohCh6zos on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:39PM (#33362030)
Is it? Action for action's sake is not desirable.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by rnd0 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:22PM (#33362684)
Performing self-serving and self-gratifying actions which are counter productive takes time and energy away from actions which while lacking the panache of attacking our cultural heritage taliban style are much more likely to effect their stated (but not demonstrated) goals.

It's easier to glue your head to a national treasure than it is to slog through meetings and the boring drudgery of actually working on fixing the problem is what I'm saying.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by seti0Cha on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:42PM (#33363746)
So is posting on HN. It's as effective as glueing yourself to a painting (that is, not at all), but it's more environmentally friendly because none of us had to travel to do it.
Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by rurp on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:27PM (#33362750)
> assasination of the CEOs of those polluting companies.

This sounds even more counterproductive than someone gluing their head to a glass case.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by constantcrying on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:19PM (#33364200)
You are far too optimistic. The issue is not this or that corporation, even corporate activity is at this point meaningless. Clearly China is gambling on climate change having little effect and so are many others, especially if you are a developing nation that stance is very enticing.

You are not trying to get some corporation to "go green", you are trying to influence nation state policy. Assasinating some CEO is as meaningless as vandalizing a museum. The only way to meet any "climate goal" is if most nations purposefully hinder their economies, organized boycots against offenders. But lets face it: life without "Made in China", is quite difficult. For an individual as well as a nation.

Re:Activist glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' pa... by selfhoster11 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:44PM (#33365007)
While I wouldn’t personally condone the assassination of corporate bosses, I can see them getting collectively anxious if this happens a few times. This could result in at least some changes to corporate policies.