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Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by mensetmanusman on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:24PM (#33359979)
This is a better situation than the reverse. It’s fortunate the winter has been mild so far. Will be interesting if the LNG industry can keep pace and replace Russia for good.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by FerociousTimes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:29PM (#33360057)
Not to nitpick and assuming you're living in the northern hemisphere, winter has not officially arrived; we're still in the fall/autumn season.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by ndlzk on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:32PM (#33360103)
In fact It’s unseasonably hot currently. Nobody is using heaters at all I suspect.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by FerociousTimes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:37PM (#33360179)
Where do you live?
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by ndlzk on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:37PM (#33360182)
The south of Spain.

Yeah, sorry.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by KingOfCoders on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:52PM (#33360451)
Same here, northern Germany, it has been unusual warm, we haven't started to heat this year yet because of it

(though I might not be impacted as hard later also as the city is producing biogas and is using PtH).

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by morgelgluff on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:14PM (#33361638)
Strikingly warm in Sweden as well. Geothermal heat pump does work a few hours per day, anyway. It drops far below 10 degrees celsius at night and my house is not modern enough to manage comfortable temperature with only waste energy as source.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by KingOfCoders on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:41AM (#33368681)
Yes we're lucky to live in a modern house.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:09PM (#33360706)
Chiming in from Poland. There have been a few cold nights in the last week or two, but otherwise it's autumn-level warm. Today in particular was unexpectedly warm, early summer levels.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by max_hammer on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:10PM (#33360724)
Same in Berlin
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by tpm on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:19PM (#33361716)
Slovakia, we didn't start heating yet, a few years ago that would be unthinkable. Looking at the forecast, we won't be heating for at least another 10 days.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by FerociousTimes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:44PM (#33362101)
Which is good, isn't it?

At least the energy crisis has been averted for the first month of the autumn season in Europe and the outlook looks promising going into the second month esp for households in light of rising costs and soaring inflation.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by tpm on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:37PM (#33364375)
Good right now in the energy crisis, not so good long-term when higher temperatures won't be matched by more rain, which they probably won't, and we will slowly turn into a savannah.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by matai_kolila on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:57PM (#33361399)
It's a little too nitpicky IMO to point this out (not to say you were trying to be though, all good), because what people are shorthanding here is that it's "unseasonably warm" still, and that's a good thing.

"Winter so far has been mild" is not a confusion on their part that it won't get any colder, just a misstatement. Autumn has been unseasonably warm, and the difference in parts of Europe between the two isn't as severe as here in the US.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by FerociousTimes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:41PM (#33364977)
I like how you're effectively nitpicking my seemingly nitpicking comment in defense of anti-nitpicking :)
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by matai_kolila on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:36PM (#33365517)
It's nitpicks all the way down! :D
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by Silverback_VII on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:41PM (#33360241)
>LNG industry can keep pace and replace Russia for good.

Nobody can replace Russia and their resources in the long-term.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by Ancapistani on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:50PM (#33360395)
“long term” is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

It seems clear that what we’re doing right now can sustain things until spring. If we’re willing to pay to do it again next year, and the year after that… at some point it’s going to be financially viable to change the makeup of both energy sources and how it’s consumed.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by bluGill on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:25PM (#33362715)
>at some point it’s going to be financially viable to change the makeup of both energy sources and how it’s consumed

Last spring - which is why heat pumps became very popular in Europe over summer. Things will change even more in the future, though I'm not sure how much.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by kryptiskt on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:19PM (#33360854)
Nobody should replace Russia in the long term as fossil fuels should go away completely.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by colechristensen on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:55PM (#33360503)
North American petroleum and developing solar and nuclear resources probably can.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by jandrese on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:03PM (#33361489)
Russia is being replaced by solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, and nuclear power in the long term. Being a fossil fuel exporter is not a sustainable business model in the 21st century.
Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by Schroedingersat on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:33PM (#33366433)
The thermal power available from all Russian gas is a 5 years of chinese PV module production or 10 years of world wind additions at the current (rapidly increasing) rate. We can tighten the belt by 15% while building out enough capacity to replace it entirely.

Once cheap hydrolysers scale production, a huge chunk of the market will start to disappear due to ammonia production switching over.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by KingOfCoders on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:52PM (#33360432)
It can for Europe, prices will be higher than with Russian gas, and production cost will rise.

But the main impact will be to poorer countries which until now might have been depending on LNG while "rich" Europe is buying up everything.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by reportgunner on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:25PM (#33361813)
4 seasons in 12 months = 3 months per season. March is not winter, it's the start of spring.

March, April, May = Spring

June, July, August = Summer

September, October, November = Autumn/Fall

December, January, February = Winter

No Winter has started this year yet, we have one more month of Autumn/Fall.

Re:Europe now has so much natural gas that prices just dippe... by Denvercoder9 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:46PM (#33363816)
> March is not winter, it's the start of spring.

That depends on which definition you're using. The astronomical winter runs until 21 March (and doesn't start until 22 December). Seasons in general are just a somewhat ill-defined concept, as weather doesn't particularly care about human constructs.