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Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by ZeroGravitas on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:49AM (#33356703)
That only works if being locked up is a deterrent.

If you have large numbers of mentally ill and/or drug addicted people living on the streets with little to lose then it's pretty easy to do a DDOS to the rest of society.

Like drug dealing, you really want to catch the people a couple of steps up the chain, as the people on the frontline are just disposable cannon fodder and easily replaceable.

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by booleandilemma on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:54AM (#33356752)
This is the kind of analysis paralysis that gets us nowhere. More law enforcement, even at the lowest levels, acts as a deterrent to further crime. The problem is when we do nothing then people feel like they can get away with anything.

I'm seeing this in nyc right now. Twice this week I've witnessed people acting violently in public. They know there will be no repercussions, and everyone else does too.

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by welshwelsh on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:43AM (#33357371)
Law enforcement helps to a degree, but it's not an efficient way of reducing crime. If it was, we would have solved this problem a long time ago.

Personally, the reason I don't rob stores is that it's a waste of time. Software development is easier and pays far better than robbery. There's no moral aspect to it.

If other people are robbing stores, they must be in a position where they think robbery is their most profitable option. Maybe they are desperate and need money today, maybe they don't have the skills to do anything more useful. In any case, that type of situation should never happen.

>Twice this week I've witnessed people acting violently in public. They know there will be no repercussions

It's not that they know there will be no repercussions, it's that they have nothing to lose. They don't have a career to keep or money or a house or the respect of others. They aren't integrated with society. You don't see politicians or executives doing this.

Or put another way: what's the reward for good behavior? It should be much, much higher than the reward for crime, to the extent that people would never commit crimes simply because it's not a good use of their time.

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by foobarian on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:12AM (#33357701)
> It's not that they know there will be no repercussions, it's that they have nothing to lose.

Yes, well, where I grew up there were plenty of people with nothing to lose that behaved civilly. Because if they didn't, cops took care of business and the perpetrator would walk away with a broken nose or rib or two, while the mentally ill would be locked up in asylums. It seems that in SF these options are not available for various reasons.

(edit: so I guess they did have something to lose).

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by mc32 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:52AM (#33356738)
Also no cash bail. Prosecutors who claim lack of evidence or simply refuse to prosecute.

A new DA will take time to right this ship. At least the new one has intention to arrest crime where the other one was sympathetic to criminals.

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by WeylandYutani on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:00AM (#33356814)
The Netherlands is really fucked up in this regard. I don't think Americans truly understand how some European countries are AGING and how much birth rates are declining. The US would be the same if it wasn't for immigrants crossing the border. The situation is so bad that police can't even handle child abuse cases because there aren't enough detectives.

The second disaster as you refer to: criminals don't care if they are caught. Criminals unlike Hollywood says are kinda dumb and desperate. You can put them in jail for shop lifting for a few months at society's expense but they'll just do it again.

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by user_7832 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:46AM (#33357409)
Huh, I didn't realize there was an issue in the Netherlands. Are you referring to mentally ill/addicted people like the parent comment? Or the police being stretched thin?

I will admit Amsterdam is certainly not a bit as safe as the Hague/Rotterdam/Delft in my experience, but even then it appears (to me) to be relatively tame.

Re:One Store’s Decision to Leave San Francisco over Crime by mbreese on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:22AM (#33357098)
That’s an interesting premise. I wonder if anyone is able to track the stolen merchandise to figure out where it ends up after the theft? If you can squeeze demand, that should make the activity less profitable and reduce theft.

But I have no idea about what is stolen, where it ends up, etc… I’m sure someone does this, but it isn’t widely publicized, probably for good reason.