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Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by sowbug on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:11PM (#33351763)
Same here. Model 3, purchased 1998, FSD beta since December 2021. FSD isn't perfect, but it works. It's about as skilled as an average student driver, which means I am hands-off but still have to be vigilant for mistakes.

Pucker factor influences any current-generation self-driving. I've given demos to friends in the passenger seat who have had such strong negative reactions that I've had to end the demo -- as in they want to reach over to grab the steering wheel to save our lives in mid-turn. This reaction isn't totally surprising; I've been in human-driven cars with people who simply cannot be a passenger because they're so jumpy.

It takes a leap of faith to let the car drive itself, but with that faith and the requisite attention, the experience is good.

Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by colordrops on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:48PM (#33352019)
1998 huh
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by roflyear on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:55PM (#33352078)
Strings got a little jumbled by the bots, don't worry, someone at Telsa will fix it soon ;)
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by sowbug on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:05PM (#33359635)
What's Telsa?
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by roflyear on Friday October 28, 2022 @10:24AM (#33371744)
More bot string jumbling, I'm afraid.
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by sowbug on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:23AM (#33353457)
Doh, sorry. 2018, first model year, not sure how I typed that....
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by itsoktocry on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:48AM (#33356693)
>FSD isn't perfect, but it works. It's about as skilled as an average student driver

No, it isn't. Do you think "student drivers" go around banging into things? Comparing the two is ridiculous and dishonest; FSD regularly gets fooled by things no human would ever be confused by.

Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by sowbug on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:44AM (#33359304)
I'm sorry your Tesla has hit things. Mine hasn't.

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I took a shower since the first version of this comment, so the following edit is an actual shower thought about your comment.

If self-driving vehicles succeed, it will be because they're safer than human drivers. That's obvious. But we probably won't be able to cherry-pick an arbitrary driving metric and show that computers always beat humans. Computer drivers will be safer than humans, but they will make different kinds of mistakes. Instead of 40,000 humans dying in auto accidents each year in the US because of inattention, DUI, sleepiness, overreaction, or poor training, we'll have maybe 1,000 humans dying because of ridiculous computer behaviors. And that 1,000 probably won't be a subset of the 40,000; they'll be 1,000 completely different people.

That will seem weird. The 40,000 deaths feel like a natural part of life, but the 1,000 will feel like a grave injustice.

Yet my computer thinks 1 divided by 10 is 0.10000000000000001, and I still use it for arithmetic.