TristanB9 of SF by chance - that’d be a blast from the past! At any rate - Hmm. Know loads of people with Teslas and never heard of anyone going over 10 minutes on AP unless it’s just down a single lane of interstate or something. What kind of 5 hour trips are you doing?

I use mine regularly driving to SF or to Arizona from LA for multi hour stretches.

I use AP every time I’m on the highway and it works quite well in most scenarios for me in Massachusetts. I don’t use it in the snow FWIW.

Are you letting it go, at length, doing anything more than a pilot assist does? I have gone > hour on pilot assist but that hardly qualifies as self driving and doesn’t free me from driving duties - which is what AP is supposed to do

Not sure what you mean, EAP is highway-only and using it off the highway is off-label and not safe. I have tried FSD beta and it was not great at the time (10.12.2)

The longest stretch I’ve used EAP for is >3 hrs going from MA to NY. Highways were totally smooth, did its own lane changes, etc.

It can be slightly jerky at times when the traffic keeps speeding up and slowing down sharply, that’s my only real complaint.

I think you're confusing what AP is supposed to do. It's adaptive cruise control + lane keep assist.

>Know loads of people with Teslas and never heard of anyone going over 10 minutes on AP unless it’s just down a single lane of interstate or something

This is how you can tell who is a TSLA shareholder and who isn't.

Up to Tahoe, Mendocino hot springs etc. It's really a default action for us now. (British, but yes here in SF), are we old friends?!

Same here. Model 3, purchased 1998, FSD beta since December 2021. FSD isn't perfect, but it works. It's about as skilled as an average student driver, which means I am hands-off but still have to be vigilant for mistakes.

Pucker factor influences any current-generation self-driving. I've given demos to friends in the passenger seat who have had such strong negative reactions that I've had to end the demo -- as in they want to reach over to grab the steering wheel to save our lives in mid-turn. This reaction isn't totally surprising; I've been in human-driven cars with people who simply cannot be a passenger because they're so jumpy.

It takes a leap of faith to let the car drive itself, but with that faith and the requisite attention, the experience is good.

1998 huh

Strings got a little jumbled by the bots, don't worry, someone at Telsa will fix it soon ;)

What's Telsa?

More bot string jumbling, I'm afraid.

Doh, sorry. 2018, first model year, not sure how I typed that....

>FSD isn't perfect, but it works. It's about as skilled as an average student driver

No, it isn't. Do you think "student drivers" go around banging into things? Comparing the two is ridiculous and dishonest; FSD regularly gets fooled by things no human would ever be confused by.

I'm sorry your Tesla has hit things. Mine hasn't.

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I took a shower since the first version of this comment, so the following edit is an actual shower thought about your comment.

If self-driving vehicles succeed, it will be because they're safer than human drivers. That's obvious. But we probably won't be able to cherry-pick an arbitrary driving metric and show that computers always beat humans. Computer drivers will be safer than humans, but they will make different kinds of mistakes. Instead of 40,000 humans dying in auto accidents each year in the US because of inattention, DUI, sleepiness, overreaction, or poor training, we'll have maybe 1,000 humans dying because of ridiculous computer behaviors. And that 1,000 probably won't be a subset of the 40,000; they'll be 1,000 completely different people.

That will seem weird. The 40,000 deaths feel like a natural part of life, but the 1,000 will feel like a grave injustice.

Yet my computer thinks 1 divided by 10 is 0.10000000000000001, and I still use it for arithmetic.