Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by slivanes on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:03PM
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Is this ML output?
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by glitchcrab on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:08PM
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If it's not then it's a lot of rambling nonsense instead.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by hinkley on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @06:35PM
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Seems a few people managed to follow it.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by glitchcrab on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:44PM
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I can follow it just fine, but that doesn't mean it isn't rambling.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by quickthrower2 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:53PM
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Or mushroom output?
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by renewiltord on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @06:53PM
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If it is, then call me a sucker because I thought it was an entertaining perspective.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by dasil003 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:09PM
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This is exactly the type of novel analogy that ML can not produce because the words don’t tend to appear next to each other in any corpus.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by quickthrower2 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:38PM
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Until now!
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by dasil003 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:21PM
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Indeed! Every brilliant idea anyone ever posted online can now appear in ML-spew with all the context and wit stripped away.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by dandelany on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:28PM
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Can we not make this the new low-effort way of saying "this doesn't make sense to me"? I've seen it a lot lately and it's at least as insulting as a regular old ad hominem attack.
FWIW it made perfect sense to me. It's a fun and thought-provoking analogy.
Re:Writing systemd units that stop gracefully before shutdown
by dec0dedab0de on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:48PM
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If software is meant to be read, and only incidentally run, then having it in the config to only run at shutdown is still introducing it early on. As a matter of fact, I think it would be like introducing the the reaper character in the very beginning and keeping them around in every scene sitting silently in the background until it was time for their one line at the very end. Many people might not notice, but to someone who does, it would be very odd indeed.
There's an idea in software that's a bit like the corollary of Chekhov's gun. Chekhov's gun is about not presaging jarring story elements that will never come to pass. But it's nearly as jarring to leave important story arcs as complete surprises until the end. Producing the gun moments before the curtain goes down would be quite a WTF. We didn't know that was a possibility. That's a niche that some people occupy, but it is a niche.
Introducing things early fights with Locality of Reference, but when we're talking about things of deep, dramatic importance (like an attempted murder, or a reaper process) it's important to introduce that "character" early in the story so that people know that it exists. Failing to do so is a form of deus ex machina and we only appreciate that in very small doses.
So framed that way, I don't see a problem with having to start a killswitch while you're spinning everything up. It's there, people can see it, and know to ask questions about it.