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Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by ukgent2 on Friday December 09, 2011 @10:31AM (#3334014)
It depends on the person,

I got a nan, 96, walks to town 3 times a week, still rides her bike, been smoking 60 a day for 40 years, and recently cut back to 40. If i compare her to my other nan 86 frail and pretty much falling apart, now guess which one has had the better lifestyle? the second, very well off always comfortable.

At 96 i think she gets up to keep smoking, and if that keeps her alive then keep doing it.

Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by isamuel on Friday December 09, 2011 @10:38AM (#3334045)
This is like saying the dangerousness of Russian roulette "depends on the person," because you have a grandmother who's played a bunch of times and didn't die.
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by nsxwolf on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:57AM (#3334438)
That's probably not correct. The grandmother playing Russian Roulette is truly the beneficiary of random chance. She's still susceptible to bullets.

The centenarian smoker likely was never susceptible to smoking-induced lung cancer in the first place.

Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by mortenjorck on Friday December 09, 2011 @01:52PM (#3334985)
The hammer is cocked when your embryo is conceived, and you can find out if the chamber was empty a few decades later.
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by xer0 on Friday December 09, 2011 @10:50AM (#3334113)
Unfortunately you have to live your whole life to discover whether you're an exception or a statistic. I'll go with the statistics for my personal choices.
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by nsxwolf on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:22AM (#3334260)
But most smokers will be exceptions. Most smokers will not get cancer. They get cancer significantly more often than non-smokers, but that's not scary sounding enough, I guess.
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by _delirium on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:37AM (#3334338)
To give specific numbers, according to one study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7895211), the lifetime risk of developing lung cancer is:

   male smokers: 17%
   female smokers: 12%
   nonsmokers: 1%
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by nsxwolf on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:49AM (#3334394)
Which backs up what I said. It's really unusual to see anyone talk about the actual lifetime risk. It's not as scary as saying "your chances are X times greater"... greater than what?

If those numbers are accurate, and entirely due to the effects of smoking (not just other lifestyle behaviors more common with smokers, like drinking) that's easily reason enough to quit. But even in the worst case, the fact remains, most smokers will not get cancer.

Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by lincolnq on Friday December 09, 2011 @01:01PM (#3334726)
"X times greater risk" refers to the likelihood ratio over the Bayesian prior, assuming that this bit of evidence (smoking/not) is independent of other known evidence. Usually the prior is "all people" or "people of <X> ethnotype" or something like that.

You can compute the lifetime risk if you have a prior for the lifetime risk of lung cancer (1% in above example), just by multiplying.

Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by xer0 on Friday December 09, 2011 @12:08PM (#3334468)
I'm not sure where your argument leads. Are you justifying smoking as a choice, based on the numbers? Are you attempting to explain why people choose to smoke, based on the likelihood of cancer? Something else?

Regardless, smoking increases your overall risk pressure along with all of the other risky choices you can make. It's cumulative with the rest of life's choices.

Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by absconditus on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:49AM (#3334397)
What about heart disease?
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by absconditus on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:49AM (#3334396)
Smoking causes problems other than cancer.
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by nsxwolf on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:58AM (#3334440)
Yes, but I'm talking about cancer. The fact still remains that the statement "Most smokers will not get lung cancer" is a controversial statement for some reason, even though it is demonstrably true.
Re:Over 40% of cancers due to lifestyle, says review by vijayr on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:36AM (#3334330)
60 a day, at 96 years old???!! wow, that is unbelievable