Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by scott_s on Friday December 09, 2011 @09:56AM
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I think there is some serious selection bias. In particular, I think they mostly talked to web developers. (Of course, it's also possible that web developers now make up the majority of developers, but I'd like to see a separate study on that.) They show the "industry" breakdown, but 83% are under "technology" which is too generic to tell me anything meaningful.
Ah, they do say the people surveyed are at companies with less than 100 employees, so, yeah, there's some selection bias.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by yummybear on Friday December 09, 2011 @09:48AM
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Am I the only one who finds something odd about these numbers - 9% are using .NET yet less than 4% are using Visual Studio.NET? My personal observation is something close to 90-100% of .NET developers use VS.NET.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by BSousa on Friday December 09, 2011 @09:56AM
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Not really. I also am baffled by django and rails being top, but then eclipse as ide? And Objective-C being below 5% but Xcode 10%.
This just either smells like a load of crap of the survey was done in a very inconsistent manner. (Not giving an option for 'I don't use an IDE' or the likes.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by edge17 on Friday December 09, 2011 @10:44AM
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Assuming someone was told to do a survey, and didn't care to make sense of the results or doesn't have the background to interpret them... happens in school all the time...
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by edge17 on Friday December 09, 2011 @12:26PM
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News is sort of a broken industry :)
Big misalignment of incentives - everything is about readership and generating traffic. I know plenty of people that write, and very few of them are knowledgable on the subject matter they write about (and they know it). It's just an industry like any other, with a product and a customer.
Besides, my business is 'whatever I want it to be.' The scary thing here is, now that it's been reported, it can now be cited as 'fact'
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by scott_s on Friday December 09, 2011 @01:01PM
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If someone asks me what I use as my IDE, I say none. IDE stands for integrated development environment. I don't have an integrated development environment. I have a modular development environment. It's called Unix.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by rmc on Friday December 09, 2011 @06:38PM
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Good point. My IDE is bash. Through it I use components and plug ins ("programmes") to edit code, run tests, commit to svn, pull down changes, etc. Bash is my development environment.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by tomku on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:02AM
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The whole thing is odd. For example, look at the IDE category as a whole. Aptana is a set of plugins for Eclipse, and Selenium IDE is an Firefox plugin "IDE" for a very specific tool/purpose (writing Selenium tests) rather than a generic coding IDE like the rest. Visual Studio should definitely be in there too, given the numbers for .NET and MSSQL.
I'm also wondering why GitHub isn't somewhere on here. It seems like it'd fit in several categories ("project management" and "bug tracking" to start), and I have a hard time believing that a demographic composed of 53% Git users and 28% Rails devs would have less than 4% using GitHub for either of those purposes.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by dextorious on Friday December 09, 2011 @09:57AM
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The survey says "the asked 500 leading software developers from around the world".
So, this is more about rock-star programmers and such, not people using .NET/VS in the enterprise. Especially as it talks about companies with <= 100 employees.
Probably people more like the Miguel De Icaza, Jeff Atwood etc types that probably use Vim/Emacs or such to work with .NET.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by jc4p on Friday December 09, 2011 @12:25PM
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What's wrong with Notepad++? Notepad++ is the Windows equivalent of Coda or TextMate, it's one of the first things I install every time I'm on a Windows machine.
I can get my Notepad++ themes off my source-control and have the exact same look/feel on whatever machine I am, and it has FTP/SFTP, Subversion, and more recently, Git plugins available too.
Oh I probably should say that I don't disagree that the survey is very biased (just look at the sample size), but Notepad++ is one of the only few things on that list I'm not shocked to see.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by xer0 on Friday December 09, 2011 @12:14PM
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"Even so, so many people using Notepad++? WTF?"
I've seen more than a handful of really smart developers use notepad, even without the ++. It's always surprising, but there's probably a lesson to learn.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by johnthedebs on Friday December 09, 2011 @12:40PM
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I've seen...really smart developers use notepad...there's probably a lesson to learn.
I find that really hard to believe, and I can't imagine what the lesson would be. It's akin to a NASCAR driver driving a Camry. It's true that the tools don't make the dev, but if what you say is true those devs are just hampering themselves.
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by dextorious on Friday December 09, 2011 @11:45AM
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Well, at least a large number of rock star devs created it, the OTI team was quite influential in its prime, Dave Thomas et al (not of Prag. Programmers fame).
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by wiradikusuma on Friday December 09, 2011 @10:58AM
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I found this infographic worthless. Leading developers? How did they decide that? Minority Java and .NET? What kind of developers are they talking about?
Re:What Tools Developers Actually Use
by corry on Friday December 09, 2011 @10:02AM
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Leaving aside questions about sample size / methodology / etc, here are the big surprises for me:
FRAMEWORKS - CodeIgniter at 6%. I use it for some projects, but I'm surprised that 6% of 'top developers' are still using it too given that it's an older entry in the (very crowded) field of PHP frameworks, AND it's PHP (which everyone loves to hate).
TEXT EDITORS - Nice to see Coda on the list. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but it's a great product with just the right mix of minimal features for me (syntax highlighting, simple FTP, sane keyboard shortcuts).
Ah, they do say the people surveyed are at companies with less than 100 employees, so, yeah, there's some selection bias.
This just either smells like a load of crap of the survey was done in a very inconsistent manner. (Not giving an option for 'I don't use an IDE' or the likes.
Besides, my business is 'whatever I want it to be.' The scary thing here is, now that it's been reported, it can now be cited as 'fact'
I just write everything in VIM.
I'm also wondering why GitHub isn't somewhere on here. It seems like it'd fit in several categories ("project management" and "bug tracking" to start), and I have a hard time believing that a demographic composed of 53% Git users and 28% Rails devs would have less than 4% using GitHub for either of those purposes.
So, this is more about rock-star programmers and such, not people using .NET/VS in the enterprise. Especially as it talks about companies with <= 100 employees.
Probably people more like the Miguel De Icaza, Jeff Atwood etc types that probably use Vim/Emacs or such to work with .NET.
Even so, so many people using Notepad++? WTF?
I can get my Notepad++ themes off my source-control and have the exact same look/feel on whatever machine I am, and it has FTP/SFTP, Subversion, and more recently, Git plugins available too.
Oh I probably should say that I don't disagree that the survey is very biased (just look at the sample size), but Notepad++ is one of the only few things on that list I'm not shocked to see.
It's more like a dumbed down version of TextWrangler.
I use Notepad++ - at the moment this is predominantly Python + HTML/CSS/JS
If not Notepad++, what else should I be looking at?
I've seen more than a handful of really smart developers use notepad, even without the ++. It's always surprising, but there's probably a lesson to learn.
I find that really hard to believe, and I can't imagine what the lesson would be. It's akin to a NASCAR driver driving a Camry. It's true that the tools don't make the dev, but if what you say is true those devs are just hampering themselves.
which of these is not like the other.
FRAMEWORKS - CodeIgniter at 6%. I use it for some projects, but I'm surprised that 6% of 'top developers' are still using it too given that it's an older entry in the (very crowded) field of PHP frameworks, AND it's PHP (which everyone loves to hate).
TEXT EDITORS - Nice to see Coda on the list. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but it's a great product with just the right mix of minimal features for me (syntax highlighting, simple FTP, sane keyboard shortcuts).