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Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by sneak on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:59PM (#33326036)
I think Apple’s response will be to go port-free, like the Apple Watch. The eSIM move was one of the last steps.
Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by transpute on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:07AM (#33326094)
Wireless is not secure, while wired cables offer higher bandwidth and reliability. USB-C enables a range of peripherals, including storage, networking, video or even keyboards via docks which are now ubiquitous. Why cripple a beautiful phone by limiting its connectivity?
Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by diebeforei485 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:33AM (#33326274)
You'd be surprised how popular the MagSafe charging puck is.

Apple will probably have Thunderbolt/USB4 on the Pro phones for fast data transfer of large video files. However, the non-Pro phones might be portless, especially if they do a small folding phone.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:09AM (#33326105)
Apple super doesn't care about data transfer rates for phones. They put USB 2.0 into them.

And wireless is secure if you do it right.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by arcticbull on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:25AM (#33326226)
On the other hand USB 2.0 is likely the maximum supported on the Lightning port.
Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:26AM (#33326233)
They released a single device with 3.0 on the lightning port.

Though I'm not sure if they had a suitable cable? It was weird.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by dwaite on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:41AM (#33326659)
Yes, the iPad Pro was capable of 5 Gbps over its lightning port. They had at least one accessory which used it (to give you a USB-A host port).

Considering the nightmare of USB-C cable specs, I don't really fault them for not releasing multiple USB-A to lightning cables with different max charging and data rates.

The USB-C to lightning cables support faster charging cables, but they did not improve data rates. This might be because this would add cost, and they weren't willing to have two tiers of cables. It might also be because only a very few devices would support the faster data rates.

The reality is that most people use the cables the phone came with, they only really use them to charge, and even android devices come with USB-C cables that only support USB 2.0 speeds for cost reasons. They aren't sending their files to their computer, they are sending them to the cloud - often over a wireless connection faster than the WIFI network any home computer would be on.

IMHO it is the pro devices and workflows which have really suffered there, since you have a rather nice camera - but with no fast way to get the content onto your workstation.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by transpute on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:11AM (#33326118)
> wireless is secure if you do it right.

WiFi and bluetooth basebands and drivers have been repeatedly compromised, via public and non-public exploits. WPA3, despite promises of security improvements, remains vulnerable to deauth attacks. 5G LTE, despite promises of tower authentication improvements, remains vulnerable to IMSI catchers.

Oct 2022, Over-the-Air remotely exploitable Linux WiFi vulnerabilities (5 CVEs), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33200171

July 2021, iOS WiFi RCE 0-day vuln, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27868487

May 2021, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121918 & https://www.fragattacks.com/

> FragAttacks (fragmentation and aggregation attacks) ... is a collection of new security vulnerabilities that affect Wi-Fi devices. An adversary that is within range of a victim's Wi-Fi network can abuse these vulnerabilities to steal user information or attack devices. Three of the discovered vulnerabilities are design flaws in the Wi-Fi standard and therefore affect most devices. On top of this, several other vulnerabilities were discovered that are caused by widespread programming mistakes in Wi-Fi products. Experiments indicate that every Wi-Fi product is affected by at least one vulnerability and that most products are affected by several vulnerabilities.

July 2017, Broadpwn bug affects millions of Android and iOS devices, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14727400

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by jurip on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:13AM (#33326140)
That would be awkward with their talk of renewables and recycling. "Wireless" charging loses a ton of efficiency compared to wired.
Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by Hamuko on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:44AM (#33326341)
And stop charging 50€ for a MagSafe cable? I don't know.
Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by batiudrami on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:00AM (#33326427)
I don’t really know why people think this. Wireless is a mostly bad way to charge phones with a couple of good applications (phone mounts in cars, and bedside docks). They’re less energy efficient, they’re bad for the battery, they’re slower, they are less portable, some are noisy (either fans or coil rattle). It would make many cars with wired only CarPlay obsolete, which would be wildly unpopular.

Apple couldn’t get AirPower to be good enough to release - I don’t see a world where iPhones transition to wireless charging any time soon. The next iPhone will be USB-C, aligning with all current iPads and Macs. I don’t think Apple are even particularly against it; they’re just afraid of the backlash they got after changing connector last time and would rather put that off as long as possible.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by sneak on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:13AM (#33328971)
> I don’t see a world where iPhones transition to wireless charging any time soon.

This has already happened. The AirPower thing was for a dynamic charging mat that would do multiple devices. All modern iPhones do Qi charging and most of those support a special magnetically-aligned Apple magsafe system for higher power charging.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by ls15 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:03AM (#33326447)
There is a wide range of high quality music apps that only run on iOS. Wireless audio is not an option for playing instruments, because of a noticeable delay between pressing a button and hearing a sound. They already killed the audio ports, but with dongles musicians can at least still use wired headphones.

Killing all ports would also kill all instruments on iOS.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by dwaite on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:55AM (#33326749)
I find a lot of people proposing this, like apple is just going to remove the ports in an immature act of spite.

In reality they will go for much more mature acts of spite, like ramp down data and power capabilities for "safety reasons" when not using an Apple-certified USB-C to C cable.

Re:EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to ... by kaba0 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @03:54AM (#33327483)
Why do people assume apple is against this change like some grumpy old man? They literally have almost every other device they manufacture use usb-c for years.