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Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by Negitivefrags on Monday October 24, 2022 @01:54PM (#33320006)
I have never heard that expression used unironically. I feel like the idea that there are people out there saying it in earnest is itself a meme that was never true.
Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by s1artibartfast on Monday October 24, 2022 @02:31PM (#33320499)
At least according to a few internet sources, it was in initially invented as a critique with the irony intended.

Over time it became idiomatic speech for initiating something difficult

Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by mark_undoio on Monday October 24, 2022 @01:59PM (#33320081)
I believe it's the origin of "bootstrapping" as a verb, in which it immediately becomes unironic technical jargon.

i.e. as in getting a start-up off the ground or, when shortened further, "booting" a computer.

Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by s1artibartfast on Monday October 24, 2022 @02:23PM (#33320391)
I think you're correct about the origins. That said, a typically ironic idiom can still give rise to non-ironic derivative words.
Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by bena on Monday October 24, 2022 @02:34PM (#33320542)
I don't think it's entirely non-ironic. I think the term acknowledges the inherent risk in the situation. You are attempting something statistically impossible. So many of these ventures do not pan out.
Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by s1artibartfast on Monday October 24, 2022 @02:45PM (#33320678)
I think we are obviously quibbling, but that's okay. I think it's not about risk but the meaning is simply making something from nothing, or making much from very little.

I don't think booting my computer is inherently risky or statistically impossible

Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by bena on Monday October 24, 2022 @03:53PM (#33321676)
Sorry, I was referring to the term bootstrapping with regards to startup companies.

I agree that in reference to computer startup, it's just being cheeky.

Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by jakereps on Monday October 24, 2022 @01:59PM (#33320084)
You’ve never heard of a bootstrapped startup? On this site?
Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by Bakary on Monday October 24, 2022 @02:11PM (#33320234)
The term itself is not sarcastic but the concept acknowledges the inherent sarcasm of it, since the chain of programs must have an initial mover
Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by jlawson on Monday October 24, 2022 @03:45PM (#33321561)
It can and is used with both opposite meanings.

The same as how "literally" means both "literally" and "figuratively", depending on the context.

Re:What’s wrong with medieval pigs in videogames by dllthomas on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:08PM (#33321907)
> The same as how "literally" means both "literally" and "figuratively", depending on the context.

I disagree with that analysis. It's true that "literally" is often used when the modified phrase is figurative, but that's not quite the same thing is it meaning "figuratively" - were we to remove the "literally" the utterance would not be more likely to be interpreted as literal. The role it's serving is as an intensifier, and I contend that it's a fairly ordinary example of hyperbole. In the same way, when someone says "you left me waiting for days" we don't say that sometimes days means a handful of minutes depending on context, but that sometimes people exaggerate.

(And I recognize that at least one sufficiently respected dictionary disagrees with me; I think they got it wrong.)