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Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:22AM (#33298541)
You are absolutely missing one of the primary points of US universities, which is to maintain a social hierarchy.

I mean, if you just want to learn stuff and get a good education, there are loads of resources where you can do that, often for free or near free. College is about much more than just learning new things, and if that's the only framework through which you value a college education, you'll be doomed to misunderstand the institution.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by Onanymous on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:36AM (#33298646)
Nonsense. Education is not about taking a course or reading bunch of books. The big part of education is being able to directly ask a knowledgeable person once you're stuck. You can ask the community of course but the quality of community answers is more than often just trash.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by 2devnull on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:51AM (#33298768)
I think you’ve defined a tutor. Tutors cost less than college tuition. And top professors answer emails from non-students, sometimes they teach for free on MOOCs. Perhaps you’re on a very narrow field where knowledge is extremely scarce, but that’s atypical.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by bombcar on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:19PM (#33299608)
For the cost of a college education at some places you could likely hire a knowledgeable professor of the skill set you’re interested in to live with you for four years.

Nobody will loan you money to do that, howvevr.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by ALittleLight on Saturday October 22, 2022 @02:54PM (#33301025)
People would probably loan you money for that if you have the income or collateral to support a loan.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by preommr on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:56AM (#33298810)
> The big part of education is being able to directly ask a knowledgeable person once you're stuck.

Stuck on what? For an undergrad, those problems can easily be solved by going online or to a tutor for a fraction of the cost. And that's for STEM based problems, humanities is all about flattering whatever opinions the professor personally holds.

The best piece of advice I got was from one of my english highschool teachers who told me a story about how when he was in university he was getting graded really poorly on essays until he basically regurgitated what he thought the the professor wanted to hear.

It's been a while since I've been to university, but I think it probably still holds.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by bombcar on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:17PM (#33299588)
Now you know why businesses love university graduates! Being told what you want is a prime mover in business.

Now back to my TPS reports.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by aeonik on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:19PM (#33299612)
Another unique bonus of university education: in my undergrad one of the professors noticed that I cared about the subject material more than my classmates.

Due to this he gave me opportunities to perform research in areas that I didn't even know existed.

Had I not gone to a university I never would have been exposed to these areas of technology.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by necrotic_comp on Saturday October 22, 2022 @02:35PM (#33300836)
"humanities is all about flattering whatever opinions the professor personally holds" - maybe at some universities, but not at a good liberal arts school.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by telotortium on Saturday October 22, 2022 @04:16PM (#33301788)
Good liberal arts schools don't really exist in the US anymore, unless we're talking about something like St. John's College or maybe some Catholic universities. I believe the capture of university humanities departments by critical theory is pretty complete at this point, and the sciences are rapidly being colonized.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by Noumenon72 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @04:31PM (#33301935)
It seems possible to me that people of a less analytic personality type can improve learning using the cue, "imagine you wanted to socially impress a particular person, an academic". The same way a weightlifter who doesn't study the anatomy of external hip rotation can get good results with "screw your feet into the floor", or GPT-3 from "Let's think step by step". It leverages instinct to do what isn't understood consciously. I agree you're going to need originality to really excel.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by onos on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:33AM (#33298618)
Yeah you’re right, that is the aspect of uni that this article is about. Who gets to get the premo credential.
Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by bushbaba on Saturday October 22, 2022 @03:08PM (#33301167)
You get 1000 resumes for a job. How do you drop 95% of the applicants. One easy way is to look at the University and GPA as a quick snuff test. After running that cheap low-pass filter you now only have 50 Resumes. You now spend ~3mins on each of those resumes to determine the 10 people you plan to interview.

That's why university matters, it helps you get past the first level of screening. It's also fair of employers to assume that the average Top 25 university graduate is better than the AVERAGE bottom 50% university graduate.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by catiopatio on Saturday October 22, 2022 @04:27PM (#33301901)
There are far more effective ways to stand out as an applicant than your GPA and university — in particular, by actually contributing notable work to the field, but also by making social connections and leveraging those into a job.

I didn’t even graduate from high school, but I’ve never struggled to find employment with the companies I wanted to work for.

The idea of a degree as a first-pass filter is oversold at best.

Re:Colleges that ditched admission tests find it harder to f... by nmeagent on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:26PM (#33302759)
> I didn’t even graduate from high school, but I’ve never struggled to find employment with the companies I wanted to work for.

This experience does not apply in the vast majority of fields. For instance, unless you're some kind of unicorn you will not break into almost any STEM field (e.g. biochemistry, astrophysics, aeronautical engineering) without learning a great deal from experts and having the sheepskins as proof. In some cases, that may not even be enough.