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Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by 100001_100011 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:26AM (#33297036)
How do you know if the Signal client running on your phone right now doesn't include a backdoor? Sure it's open source. But how do you know how it was compiled?

What if someone changed the open source before shipping it to the app store?

Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by i_am_proteus on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:28AM (#33297045)
How do you know that the AES instruction set on your device's processor doesn't include a backdoor? Sure, the algorithm is public, but how do you know how it was implemented?
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by upofadown on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:41AM (#33297844)
AES starts with 16 bytes and then encrypts it to 16 bytes. So there is no good place to hide extra data. Even a single bit that did not meet the AES spec for the key in use would produce complete garbage at decryption. So attempts to leak the key would at least leave a mark.
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by dividuum on Saturday October 22, 2022 @09:15AM (#33298072)
Unless it’s a timing based leak..
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by bigDinosaur on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:32AM (#33297068)
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by bertman on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:29AM (#33297046)
This is called "Reproducible Builds".

https://signal.org/blog/reproducible-android/

Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by 100001_100011 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:50AM (#33297154)
Reproducible builds are for developers. As a user I didn't build the app on my phone.

I have a phone with Signal on it. Tell me what I should do to verify it's running the open source Signal code.

Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by bertman on Saturday October 22, 2022 @07:16AM (#33297308)
If you, as a user, are concerned about reproducibility, you are no longer an average user. Thus, if you want this extra security, you can be expected to check the APK on your phone.
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by fgiox on Saturday October 22, 2022 @07:20AM (#33297330)
Maybe you could figure this out yourself, and share your findings, rather than demanding answers from others?
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by 0xChain on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:03AM (#33297570)
You should check out Session. Their CTO apparently uses his PGP key to sign every release https://twitter.com/session_app/status/1514108746854985730
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by ghransa on Saturday October 22, 2022 @09:54AM (#33298325)
Not perfect chain of custody but could report to virustotal (virustotal.com) and compare in a sandbox:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funnycat.v...

Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by fsflover on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:57AM (#33298818)
Reproducible builds benefit the user by allowing independent checks of the software.
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by RunSet on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:45AM (#33297878)
That page says:

> the Signal Android codebase includes some native shared libraries that we employ for voice calls (WebRTC, etc). At the time this native code was added, there was no Gradle NDK support yet, so the shared libraries aren’t compiled with the project build.

Also, assuming you trust the client, how to tell if the Signal server is running the published code, especially given Signal's track record of (not) publishing its source code?

https://linuxreviews.org/Signal_Appears_To_Have_Abandoned_Th...

Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by kijiki on Saturday October 22, 2022 @03:46PM (#33301490)
Signal server is explicitly untrusted in the Signal threat model, which is must be due to being based in a country (like any other country) with laws that can be used to compel actions on the server's owners. They publish legal orders they receive and their responses.
Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by pabs3 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:45PM (#33304113)
A related project that is also necessary for this, Bootstrappable Builds:

https://bootstrappable.org/

Otherwise somewhere in the chain you are relying on binaries of unknown provenance.

Re:Global Encryption Day: Demand End-to-End Encryption in DMs by Semaphor on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:33AM (#33297797)
I would say it’s the usual.

If someone with skills X (where depending on your knowledge and precautions, X can range from script kiddie to nation state) is after you specifically, you can only make their job harder, but unless you are very serious about security, you’ll probably get pwned.

If you want general security, you can probably take it as given that someone checked the Signal build to be the one that the source is available for, and that no one intercepted just your download. But you still have to take some parts on faith, always, unless you build your own CPU and continue from there.