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Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by dirkg on Friday October 21, 2022 @06:46PM (#33293789)
Musk doesnt deserve credit for the success of Tesla, if you mean actually providing any leadership or technical skills. I do not work there so obviously I dont know internal details but everything we know points to him not making any contributions besides being an obnoxious taskmaster who wanted employees to work late.

He does credit for being such a charismatic charlatan and somehow managing to fool most of the world and being a social media and tech darling based on nothing but lies and empty promises. Tesla's valuation comes from a large part from Musks constant lies that FSD was a solved problem and was just around the corner, every ear since 2016. Every time he said that, he got more fanatics, and the stock surged.

SpaceX is almost fully funded by DoD and Musk has acknowledged the end goal is to use it for military purposes.

All his other ideas like Hyperloop/Boring company, the recently released private tweets with his billionaire friends, getting fired by his own board, clearly expose him as someone who doesn't really understand technology let alone be a 'genius'. More like an idiot.

He was born rich, got lucky and somehow people buy into his myth.

And yes, he is a fraud. He's been selling vaporware for close to a decade, charging for alpha code that kills people and lying about it. Its not the same level of fraud as Holmes but Musk was never honest about it either.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by anomaly_ on Friday October 21, 2022 @07:10PM (#33293920)
>He's been selling vaporware for close to a decade

Interesting, my Tesla feels pretty real.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by bigtex on Friday October 21, 2022 @09:38PM (#33294861)
How is that robotaxi working out for you?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by wilg on Friday October 21, 2022 @07:18PM (#33293976)
I'm not sure there is anything in this comment that is true.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by lazyeye on Saturday October 22, 2022 @04:53AM (#33296617)
You become a magnet for this kind of commentary once you achieve any significant level of success.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by ashwagary on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:42AM (#33298704)
Not true, Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs get credit for what they built without this kind of commentary. Primarily because people don't detect immense amounts of fraud in how they operate(d), they actually built and delivered what they promised investors and consumers.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by lazyeye on Saturday October 22, 2022 @01:08PM (#33300080)
What "immense amounts of fraud" are you talking about?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by ashwagary on Saturday October 22, 2022 @05:20PM (#33302343)
Promising FSD, Self driving Taxis, Tesla Trucks, Tesla Semis, and other vaporware to raise funds from investors and public then never delivering.

There are also claims of games being played with Tesla options at the direction of Elon, though that area is less clear to me.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by lazyeye on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:37PM (#33304079)
That's pretty ridiculous way to frame things IMO.

Maybe it's just a case of what he is doing is a dramatically more difficult and challenging than what the majority of us can remotely understand. And that would mean things don't go the way he planned a significant amount of the time (perfectly normal). And that includes the whole spectrum of business operations -> investors, funding/finance, marketing, technology, distribution, supply chains etc.

I know from the comfort of our desk chair (with no risk taken, no relevant experience, no nothing really) and with perfect 20/20 hindsight we can make these criticisms but really they dont mean much.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by ashwagary on Sunday October 23, 2022 @01:19PM (#33308529)
>dramatically more difficult and challenging than what the majority of us can remotely understand.

Jobs and Bezos fell into this category, they just underpromised and overdelivered, not the opposite.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by lazyeye on Sunday October 23, 2022 @05:41PM (#33310550)
So you are comparing 3 very different businesses, particularly in terms of market size and economics of distribution.

I'm going to assume you lack the background and expertise to make any meaningful assessment of these businesses in the general sense, let alone with regard to specific challenges they each faced.

And even if true, the opposite of under-promising and over-delivering is not "immense amounts of fraud".

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by Bubble_Pop_22 on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:07AM (#33316793)
Nobody cares about the potential. People only care about a CEO as the person who signs off quality of life.

Musk has barely signed off anything, he's constantly postponing the moment when he'll sign off quality of life, but he's getting paid right now.

Today has been a slow day and I used the various different flavors of Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft so many times. They might not be a colony on Mars, but at least they are real.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by P_I_Staker on Monday October 24, 2022 @08:44AM (#33315930)
lol, the guy has an extremely long track record of overpromising and underdelivering.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes 'gave me gobbledygook answers' back in 2014 by lazyeye on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:42PM (#33334566)
lol...if only Elon had delivered like your average forum commenter...