Re:People Staring at Computers
by Vt71fcAqt7 on Friday October 21, 2022 @05:15PM
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>Put another way, society and culture are things that are essentially imaginary.
Where did you get that from GP's post? They're simplying saying not to anthropomorphise societal systems.
Re:People Staring at Computers
by nescioquid on Friday October 21, 2022 @05:39PM
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I meant that the qualms he was enumerating could simply be restated this way, and my only addition here is that these societal/cultural things all are essentially imaginary (and depend on anthropomorphism and metaphor), unlike something like evolution. Apologies for my phrasing.
I like this explanation, but I might say abstractions are mutually translatable in a society. People having similar ideas is convenient but not necessary. I could imagine a society where everyone thought differently but used AI as a universal translator to make their ideas and personalities compatible.
Maybe you wouldn’t consider it a real society if they depended on machine translation, but we’re partially there already. It would still be a collection of minds with their own identities and intentions coordinating through an abstraction.
Evolution depends on multiple minds coordinating. A virus’ fate will be decided by thinking people eventually. It’s not fair to talk about something as broad as evolution if you only focus on the early period where determinism is easy to represent with math. The process involves intentions as much as anything.
Your unease is more warranted for things like evolution, which does not depend on a shared imaginary space.