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Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:25PM (#33279424)
I have someone in UAE that is listed as an employee of one of my companies, as an administrative assistant.

The company is in my home, in New York.

I reported the fake profile, but it's still there, listed as an employee of mine.

[UPDATE] Actually, belay that. They seem to finally be gone.

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by makestuff on Thursday October 20, 2022 @04:30PM (#33280257)
Slightly related but there is a fake profile of me on Facebook I have been trying to get taken down for months now. It copied my profile picture and added several of my mutual friends. Facebook just keeps saying the profile doesn't violate their guidelines even though my last name is very unique and the profile picture makes it blatantly obvious.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by Brybry on Thursday October 20, 2022 @04:42PM (#33280387)
I wonder if you DMCA/copyright strike the fake profile for using your picture if that would be more effective.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by hsbauauvhabzb on Thursday October 20, 2022 @04:49PM (#33280491)
A young (attractive) man was murdered in my country with a case dragged out over a period of years, there was a fake but active profile using his highly published images under a different name. Facebook banned me for continuously reporting the profile, in every report I linked multiple articles containing the relevant images.

I would suggest you encourage a large volume of contacts to report the profile. Funny that you have to game the system to achieve a perfectly legitimate result.

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by derefr on Thursday October 20, 2022 @05:11PM (#33280767)
I feel like the workflow that happens when you click "flag" in social networks has become ossified according to " Content Guidelines" in the same way that Level-1 CSR scripts are ossified. To actually get one-off (rather than rule-based) evaluation of a problem, you need your report to not come in from that direction, but from some other side-channel, e.g. a viral tweet complaining about the problem.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by Firmwarrior on Thursday October 20, 2022 @05:32PM (#33281068)
Man, I wish we could convince people to just stop using these fucking "platforms" and go back to cheap selfhosted forums/blogs

Of course a giant faceless low-margin corporation is going to do a bad job of moderation. I wish it weren't such a big deal when they fail at it

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by ferrocarraiges on Thursday October 20, 2022 @09:54PM (#33283400)
Too ambitious. Platforms like MySpace or GeoCities would be closer to the mark, if we could find a way to incentivize a hand-off approach to data collection.

Site builders like SquareSpace, Wix, and WordPress are also close, but they're mostly designed and marketed as professional tools rather than personal spaces.

Most people don't ever want to hear words like "DNS record" or "PHP version", but they do want to express themselves, and they can figure out a markdown or markup language in pursuit of that.

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by JKCalhoun on Thursday October 20, 2022 @11:15PM (#33284070)
Or go back to, I don't know, cruising down Main Street, spending time at their local library, walking downtown....
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by tsimionescu on Friday October 21, 2022 @01:26AM (#33284807)
Honestly, taking down a fake blog using your name or pictures would probably be much harder than taking down a FB/LinkedIn etc profile, wouldn't it?
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by ericmay on Friday October 21, 2022 @03:21AM (#33285421)
> cheap selfhosted forums/blogs

Tbh I think most people just don't need to even be posting on a blog, myself included. It's nice to think you have something important to say but we mostly don't. How did our self-worth get tied up in this mess?

Of course if you want to start a blog you should. Maybe you do have something interesting, thoughtful, or worthwhile to say. Maybe you just want to keep a diary of sorts or post for a few friends or family members. But moving from social media platforms to self-hosted blogs misses the key step that most people just need to get the hell of the Internet instead of starting a blog or posting on social media.

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung on Friday October 21, 2022 @09:49AM (#33287972)
Early on blogs and local forums got flooded with spam bots, and trolls, though come to think of it; Trolls were never a huge problem before, as Netiquette helped separate wheat from the chaff. In hindsight it seems like a more concerted effort ending in disabling of public comment threads, and consolidation on social media sites. Nowadays anti-spam bots are more accessible, so it should be possible to revive local forums.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by pessimizer on Friday October 21, 2022 @11:19AM (#33288921)
> Maybe you just want to keep a diary of sorts or post for a few friends or family members.

I disagree in that I think that a lot more people should be doing this. The problem is that it is a lot harder to do this than to speak to the entire world. Private networks have been discouraged, not facilitated. Or more accurately, people were pulled into social networking with the promise of small private networks, and these companies wait until they reach a particular size to start a constant push towards opening up the networks and hiding the statistics about them.

Myspace was entirely a bunch of interlinked small private networks of friends. Everybody presented themselves as they liked to people that they knew (maybe barely knew, if you were an extrovert.) This was compromised by the networks deciding to automatically broadcast unrequested information, obviously like Facebook Beacon, but also "Bill just joined the group Guys Who Like Beer" and resetting/redesigning everyone's privacy settings every time they added a new beacon.

It was a very short step to exercising full editorial control over everyone's presence, which is the product. So they manipulate User A's presence to motivate User B whose presence they're manipulating to motivate User A. All in the service of increasing time browsing and the amount of information shared, hopefully maximizing the value of selling a few inches of the screen during that time browsing.

There will never be a significant incentive to stop intentionally alienating User A from User B. It would take away the primary tool that they use to maintain and grow the business and be a phase change in profitability. These are not companies providing real value, they are companies that hope to disrupt the production of real value and extract it. They only work as protected monopolies or trusts, because if there were commodity services that did what they do as a dumb pipe, their sites would be wastelands.

> most people just need to get the hell of the Internet instead of starting a blog or posting on social media.

No, people need a quiet, secure, consistent presence on the internet that does what they want and no more, doesn't try to hurt or confuse them for money, and doesn't need to be constantly futzed with to combat incursions by the host.

If I put a poster on the wall, I just have to dust it once or twice a year, and it will never decide to start associating my medical information to my Amazon purchases. That poster will tell my friends the types of paintings I like, without trying to tell its clients who my friends are (i.e. who would be friends with people who like the kinds of paintings I like), or even testing that poster for misinformation and removing it from the wall without telling me (or waiting to remove it and counting how many people put it up on their own wall as a result.)

People deserve a place to be safe on the internet. Instead, the motivations seem to be to make everything on the internet dangerous and constantly in flux so it a) constantly has to be engaged with, which serves eyeballs, and b) incursions of companies into your private life and your pockets can be successful.

Self-hosted blogs are a bad solution because they are hard to create, secure and maintain. Getting off the internet is a bad solution because it's a request to drop the cheapest, most comprehensive communications system imaginable because if you're a normal person you have nothing worth saying. My grandmother disagrees.

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by exikyut on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:33AM (#33284543)
This is like the terrible inverse of Goodhart's Law ("when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure") - because there will always be more users than moderators, the amount of mental energy being applied to parameterizing, normalizing and leveraging the social contract will always be greater than the effort that can physically be put into coherently dividing proof-of-work signal from faked noise over the long term.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by dylan604 on Thursday October 20, 2022 @05:24PM (#33280956)
>Funny that you have to game the system to achieve a perfectly legitimate result.

How does the automated bot know the perfectly legitimate to the wholly being scammed?

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by hsbauauvhabzb on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:31AM (#33284524)
It doesn’t, most evidence suggests many users reporting of otherwise legitimate content results in bots deeming the victim against TOS. Malicious groups blackmail prominent YouTubers using this mechanism, and YouTube appears to do nothing.

May as well leverage the weakness for good when we can.

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by smt88 on Friday October 21, 2022 @10:54AM (#33288638)
I would wager a DMCA takedown would work better in these situations.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by bee_rider on Thursday October 20, 2022 @06:20PM (#33281564)
Yeah, fake profiles were one of the things that made me just start completely ignoring friend requests on Facebook. Although I'm one of those grumpy, uninterested/uninteresting people who is just on the site to stay in touch with their parents and grandparents, so it isn't like I'm in the demographic they are trying to grow anyway.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by pedro2 on Friday October 21, 2022 @04:12AM (#33285738)
All bots in IG and FB are pretty easily identifiable from photos (semi-naked woman)
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday October 20, 2022 @07:05PM (#33281985)
Submit a DMCA notice for copyright infringement. If that doesn't work sue FB in small claims for the maximum your state allows.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by hsbauauvhabzb on Thursday October 20, 2022 @04:46PM (#33280451)
They wait for the user to respond, and give them 4 weeks. It’s silly.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by vultour on Thursday October 20, 2022 @07:31PM (#33282241)
Did this in any way affect you? What a weird thing to waste time on.
Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday October 21, 2022 @07:24AM (#33286843)
It very well could.

This is part of setting up ID thefts, or scams.

I know of several (directly, not just one secondhand anecdote) people that had a huge mess, when someone used their identities for criminal behavior.

If someone claims to work for me, and then goes and causes havoc, using that connection, guess who they'll come after?

Taking thirty seconds to send out a quick report is not "wasting time." Why on Earth would you think of it as such?

Re:Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Empl... by pbronez on Thursday October 20, 2022 @10:54PM (#33283898)
We have the same problem. Fake person claiming to be an alumnus of our medium sized, tight knit firm. It’s obviously an attack, but reporting it does nothing. Very frustrating.