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Re:DevOps Is Bullshit by dustymcp on Thursday October 20, 2022 @12:09PM (#33276818)
this devops is also a dumping ground for anything else not happening on a developers computer which they should control but wont because "That is devops job" mostly this happens alot with node projects for some reason..
Re:DevOps Is Bullshit by duxup on Thursday October 20, 2022 @01:10PM (#33277684)
Humans are kinda terrible when they can just "not my problem" things.
Re:DevOps Is Bullshit by chrisweekly on Thursday October 20, 2022 @01:56PM (#33278303)
"anything else not happening on a developers computer which they should control but wont"

Ok, I've seen this, but IME (24y in industry, the last 6 as a consultant) in the vast majority of cases, it's more like "things devs should control but CAN'T [bc CICD etc are silo'd and owned jealously by an overburdened ops team unable or unwilling to facilitate self-service]".

Re:DevOps Is Bullshit by outworlder on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:23PM (#33279408)
Some of the 'jealousy' may also come from bad experiences.

It only takes a few instances of people royally messing stuff up in production for their deployment rights to be stripped away – and other groups catch the fallout too, as new "procedures" get implemented.

Re:DevOps Is Bullshit by dijit on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:57PM (#33279877)
"Safety rules are written in blood" applies to parts of the organisation too.

Sure, there are some overbearing procedure monkeys who really want a process on everything, but a lot of "protection" rules are there because something really bad (and expensive, financially or reputationally) has happened before.

Re:DevOps Is Bullshit by kazen44 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @06:47PM (#33302919)
Also, some developers do not seem to know what kind of impact a production issue can have.

Having something not work during the development cycle is annoying for one person or a team. Having something break in production usually means people get paged and (depending on what you do) the resulting issues can have major societal aswell as economic impact.

In the ops world, this is especially visible if you go further down the stack. (from applications down the the network).

Network architecture moves at a toad's pace compared to webdevelopment, which is a good thing considering breaking the network will usually break every other system inside a IT department/landscape.