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Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by roody15 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:36PM (#33250110)
" I don't travel with the MacBook any more, as I can do anything from the iPad. But it's not just me."

Interesting, how long have you been iPad Pro only? At the price point of the iPad pro with a keyboard and touch-pad.. why not just buy a laptop like the MacBook Air?

Hauling around an iPad pro with a touchpad.. and an external keyboard seems less convenient than just using something like the MacBook Air. Unless I am missing something here.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by Terretta on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:45PM (#33250250)
> At the price point of the iPad pro with a keyboard and touch-pad.. why not just buy a laptop like the MacBook Air?

1. cellular + eSIM, missing from Air (WHY, Apple, why?)

2. detaches into perfect touchscreen tablet, Air doesn't

3. Apple Pencil (requires "Paperlike" for texture): https://paperlike.com

4. it's a great second screen in either extend desktop or keyboard/mouse mode

> Hauling around an iPad pro with a touchpad.. and an external keyboard

No, the keyboard is the case, you have no sense of carrying a second thing. In fact, it's a magnetic dock, you USB-C charge through a port in the hinge, iPad pops on and off mag-safe style.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by adastra22 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:02PM (#33251469)
Interesting, I hadn’t heard of Paperlike. I’ll have to give it a try.
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by dbdoug on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:31PM (#33252663)
Paperlike is pretty pricey. I bought a similar screen cover on Amazon Canada by Bellmond for CAD$20. Works great!
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by terminalcommand on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:56PM (#33250429)
I am a lawyer, my boss uses an ipad pro heavily for work. He usually does not have much time to work on stuff, we mail him the contracts, documents etc., he marks them up with digital pen with his comments and sends it to us to revise. He finds it extremely productive. He can give instructions on the go, even while physically walking to a meeting room.

Prior to the ipad pro, we literally took printouts and handed it to the boss for his comments. He doesn't bother with word comments. Many older senior lawyers who learned the practice before word processors still work this way.

For jobs not requiring much typing and special software, iPad pro can be a good addition.

For replacing my work computer, oh no.

If I were provisioned an ipad pro, I'd use it to read and markup contracts, look up legislation, occasionally jump into calls and I'd be pretty happy. I could work on my commute, quickly review documents and respond in off-hours etc. instead of carrying a laptop. The IT provisioned laptop takes ages to boot up, heavier and more fragile than an ipad.

Another problem is that screen and keyboard doesn't quite replace pen and paper in my industry. I switched to Onenote from using a paper notebook during remote working and I miss taking notes on paper greatly. I frequently miss parts in contracts when I read on the screen and have to be extra careful. If I were in the office, I usually printed these out. I knew a senior lawyer who wanted us to print out every piece of related legislation so that she could work on it. She refused to read them on computer.

iPad pro could be highly beneficial for low-tech human mind driven industries such as law.

I know there is AI, I am grateful for redlines and spell checkers, but the computer screen and keyboard interface lacks in some ways.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:12PM (#33250688)
I'm in an architecture adjacent company and often deal with PDF drawing sets. When I get a 400 page PDF with E-size pages and I'm trying to look through a whole building to find or count something in it, I send those right over to the iPad.

Now that I think about it, displaying gigantic PDFs is probably the most performance intensive thing I use it for, and the iPad Pro is very fast at it.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by boppo1 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:38PM (#33251919)
What do you use for giant PDFs? I have some textbooks on mine, but nothing performs/functions as well as readera does on my android phone.
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:05PM (#33252336)
I’ve found PDF Viewer from PSPDFKit GmbH to perform very well, though I also sometimes use Documents by Readdle which lets me do things like reorder pages without a subscription.

Not sure if Documents is still that way for new users or only because I paid for it back before everything under the sun turned into a subscription.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by boppo1 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:31PM (#33252653)
Thanks!
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by TexanFeller on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:06PM (#33255290)
iAnnotate handles my PDFs that are 100s of MBs with absolutely zero lag.
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by Finnucane on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:37PM (#33251070)
>Many older senior lawyers who learned the practice before word processors

Considering how long ago that is, they must be pretty old. I mean, I'm 58 and I can just barely remember that time.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by terminalcommand on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:45PM (#33251210)
They are not young :). I live outside of US so technology might have come a bit later to us. And law is an industry that does not like change that much.
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by gnicholas on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:54PM (#33251348)
I talked to a lawyer in his 70s about this. He liked the way that dictating forced him to consider his thoughts in advance and speak in paragraphs. Technology has made dictation/typing pools unnecessary, but it's worth considering the ways that it might have led to benefits that we currently miss out on.
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by lancesells on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:42PM (#33251987)
I've kind of found this with certain reporting that I used to automate. I used to be of mind that everything that can be automated should be automated. I've come to realize it's a big mistake as it limits my processing of information. Even cutting and pasting can have me thinking about something more than automating.
Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:20PM (#33251699)
> it's worth considering the ways that it might have led to benefits that we currently miss out on

I know two founders who dictate emails. They're orders of magnitude more compelling, concise and readable than the multi-paragraph messes of their peers.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by massysett on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:49PM (#33251267)
Heh - I am a lawyer too. One of my old bosses didn't budge off paper even during covid. We had to email him PDFs of drafts so he could read them on his iPad and occasionally he would print them. If he had comments or revisions, he would print the draft, write his comments, and then use his iPhone as a makeshift scanner (no scanner app - he would just take pictures.)

Once in a paper file I had the only example of A4 paper I've ever seen - I'm an American. He was traveling in Europe and we had to send the draft to his hotel so they could print it and give it to him. He wrote comments on it and brought it back.

I'm not of his generation but I think I'd find an iPad pretty useless for work. I print most things I need to review so that I can read the closely and scrawl notes on them, though if I need to give the notes to someone else I put them into Word or on a PDF - but after printing it. I find it too cumbersome to review documents on the computer.

The most I could use an iPad for is a second screen to look up statutes and cases and the like, or just to read emails - but it's too limiting even for emails. In Windows I drag emails to folders to save them, and I take notes with Notepad, go look stuff up in the browser, etc. The iPad is just too limiting.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by gnicholas on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:53PM (#33251318)
Former lawyer here. iPads make much more sense for senior partners than for associates or junior partners. They're reviewing documents and writing emails, not composing long memos or doing intensive legal research on the web. The battery life and "boot time" differential are great for senior folks who don't need a desktop environment.

I don't think this dichotomy maps onto technical roles, since there are more technical things you can't do on an iPad, but it's worth recognizing how much iPads can be a game-changer for some of the most senior people in organizations.

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by derefr on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:00PM (#33250502)
For travelling specifically:

• The Magic Keyboard acts as its own case for the iPad Pro. I wouldn't keep a bare laptop in my bag, but I would throw the iPad-Pro-in-keyboard-case in there.

• The iPad (any iPad) is better for reading books, watching movies, and all the other stuff you do more of on planes/trains/automobiles, than a laptop is. The Keyboard Case holds the iPad up in the air by about two inches (getting the screen closer to your eyeline without straining your neck), and then lets you further position the screen at strange angles (e.g. "inward") for better viewing — angles you can't really adjust a laptop to. And if you want to read a PDF, a graphic novel, or anything else designed to be viewed vertically, you can, at full size — just pick it up and turn it. (Maybe pull the case off to make it lighter, if you're going to be reading for hours.) Basically, the same logic behind bringing a purpose-designed e-reader device.

• If you have a Pencil to go with it, it can also be a reusable piece of paper with infinite "template" content pre-loaded — since you can arbitrarily mark up any PDF or image in the Files app, you can just load on a PDF of coloring-book pages, and now it's a coloring book; or grab a PDF of crossword puzzles, and now it's a crossword puzzle. No purpose-made apps required for either. (If you draw as a hobby, it can be your sketchbook, too; sadly, I'm no artist.) In other words, bringing an iPad also replaces packing those dimestore "activity books", and/or a notebook + actual pencil.

• iPads (or really any convertable / 2-in-1, where you can fold away the angled keyboard part of the computer) are great for showing people the stuff you do / giving people demos — which is something you might be doing a lot at conferences, if that's why you travel. This is a pretty unique use-case; tablets themselves are really "the thing" for this. They maybe replaced... handing out brochures? Having a glossy explainer book printed, and then packing that? Bringing a portable projector + slides?

• Kind of like the recent revival of "intentional dumbphones" that encourage "unplugging", the iPad is designed in a way that still allows for productive work, but makes it less fluid. I can SSH into prod from an iPad, but I don't want to do it for a minute longer than I have to. If you're travelling on vacation, this could keeps you focused on not working, in a way you might not be if you have a desktop computer laying around.

Notice that none of those are benefits of the iPad Pro specifically. I don't think that, for at least my use case, there's really much I'd get from an "iPad Pro with Keyboard Case" over an "iPad Air with Keyboard Case." Mind you, I have an iPad Pro... but I bought it because I had the money, and wanted the beautiful color-calibrated display; not because the Air wouldn't have suited my use-case just fine. (Though, when I bought it — 2019 — they weren't yet selling the Keyboard Case for the Air.)

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by jxdxbx on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:12PM (#33254059)
I'm a lawyer and I also only travel with, and can do a lot (but not all) of my work on an iPad. I probably spend more on my iPad Pro + keyboard than I would for a laptop. But the iPad is also my primary e-reader, I watch movies on it, I take note on it legal pad style, etc. Google apps all suck on iOS so I don't use them. I occasionally remote in to a desktop for this or that, but less frequently.

I mostly find that nerds who don't like iPads have opinions that are like 5 years out of date. Trackpad support is great on iPads. The Files app is all I need on a portable device for file management. I can use any USB device I ever want (though in practice, I never do).

Re:New iPad Pro with M2 by starbird3000 on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:57PM (#33264892)
Usually it's still lighter. When I have back problems I will pick up the iPad and take it with me rather than my MacBook Pro. It has the added bonus of being easier to read pdfs and annotate them while traveling too (it's not perfect. If I'm gong to be digging around my email archives I prefer to do that on a Mac but that's partly the way our company limits Outlook on iPads.