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Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by s1mon on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:57AM (#33249403)
There are plenty of much smaller/cheaper condos in SF with HOAs that are $1500+. I'm still baffled what they are spending that on. Here's a $860,000 condo with a $1876 HOA.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Francisco/611-Washington-St-94...

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Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by Kon-Peki on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:22PM (#33249840)
From the listing:

> Fees Include: Common Area Electricity, Door Person, Insurance (Common Area), Landscaping/Gardening, Management Fee, Pools, Spa, or Tennis, Reserves, Security Service, Water

> HOA Amenities: Community Pool, Door Person, Elevator, Gym/ Exercise Facility

That stuff costs money; if you don't want it then that isn't the building for you! Having recently moved from a condo to a non-HOA house, I am realizing how much extra time it takes to maintain a house (plus all the little extra costs here and there that add up). Condo HOAs are a mandatory convenience fee, and if you are a busy person they might really be worth it.

Single-family detached house subdivisions with HOAs are a different world. Stay far far away.

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Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:14PM (#33249679)
It seems like in that case:

* A lot of amenities (pool and gym) are provided with the HOA.

* The reason 1200 sqf in a tall building is so cheap ($860k) is probably because the high HOA is discouraging buyers.

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Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by rr888 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:44PM (#33252031)
It includes water, what is a typical monthly water bill for SF?
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