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Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by dymk on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:48AM (#33249230)
You can't just convert office space into residential space. Completely different building codes. Just the retrofit for the plumbing makes it untenable.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by throw8383833jj on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:54AM (#33249336)
I know this will get downvoted but, I say Throw the building codes out the window. Housing people is more important than regulations.

If it made a difference to your ability to get shelter, which would you rather choose: have shelter or live in a illegal tent under a bridge resting assured with the knowledge that there's a big book of rules in place.

Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by grepLeigh on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:16PM (#33249714)
This is how you get housing tenements, and SF has a history of over-paying for impermanent housing solutions (like tents in a parking lot, or cots in a navigation center).

Not all buildings in SF are high-rise open-plans. If you're imagining converting Salesforce tower, I see how that would seem impractical.

Most commercial office space in SOMA (old warehouse buildings) can be converted into live/work lofts.

Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by trentgreene on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:11PM (#33249640)
The problem is not all codes are meaningless regulation, and some of the important ones are indeed expensive (and vice versa). If you yolo it, you get cases like the Grenfell tower fire, and a lot of people literally die.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by dymk on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:27PM (#33250935)
Building codes were written in blood (and for much of the plumbing code, human feces and black mold).
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by achenet on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:58PM (#33252224)
anyone up for a rewrite in Rust? :D
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by SoftTalker on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:57AM (#33249395)
If you're talking low-income housing, it could be closer to a dormitory setup. Common bathrooms and kitchens, etc. This used to be common in low-income urban rental property, and still is in some parts of the world.

Building Codes are words on paper. They can be changed more easily than physical buildings.

Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by kjkjadksj on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:09PM (#33249601)
Think of most offices. Central elevator shafts and stairs and bathrooms. A massive floorplan with all the windows on the edges. How do you convert to residential? Have 5 feet by 500 feet units so everyone has light and a connection to plumbing by the elevator shaft? Residential buildings have a lot more access to natural light throughout the structure and they are plumbed entirely differently. Hvac and wiring too.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by gruez on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:17PM (#33249734)
>How do you convert to residential? Have 5 feet by 500 feet units so everyone has light and a connection to plumbing by the elevator shaft?

A dorm (ie. shared bathrooms/kitchen) wouldn't have this issue.

Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by kjkjadksj on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:35PM (#33250090)
Dorm buildings are still thinner and have more access to natural light. No matter what you get these awkward units and dystopian unlit spaces internally. In places like nyc with huge, city block width apartments, there are actually internal voids that let in natural light deeper into the structure.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by Tangurena2 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:44PM (#33250236)
The problem with shared bathrooms & kitchens is that no single person is responsible for cleaning them and as a result they end up being messes. It can work (in theory), but in practice it ends up getting ruined by lazy jerks.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by kjkjadksj on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:27PM (#33254904)
Yeah I remember the dorm bathrooms on a sunday, full of puke from saturday before the cleaning staff showed up on monday morning.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by grepLeigh on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:34PM (#33253493)
This doesn't describe a lot of office space in San Francisco, especially SOMA. There are a couple of high-rise open plans (like SF Tower), but many offices in SOMA are converted warehouses.

Check out 510 Townsend, one of the properties mentioned in the OP. What do you think about converting buildings like 510 Townsend into live/work lofts?

Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by shaburn on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:49PM (#33250320)
Ambiguous blanket statement that flies in the face of ingenuity. Change the byzantine codes.
Re:Office Vacancy Rate in San Francisco Just Hit a New High by dymk on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:29PM (#33250955)
Google "Chesterton's Fence".