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Re:Why Rust? by sirwhinesalot on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:40AM (#33245793)
It's a bubble, 99/100 crypto companies are going to crash and burn, or already have. If you manage to land on the 1/100 that actually does something useful and survives, well, better odds than the lottery I suppose.
Re:Why Rust? by indy on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:49AM (#33245864)
Sounds a lot like Silicon Valley circa. 1999
Re:Why Rust? by sirwhinesalot on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:27AM (#33246176)
That's my feeling, you might pick the company that becomes the google of crypto, or you might end up in one of the ones you haven't even heard about because they disappeared without a trace.
Re:Why Rust? by marcosdumay on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:56AM (#33246413)
Except that cryptomoney isn't adding insane amounts of value in any niche, outside of extortion and evading government controls.
Re:Why Rust? by indy on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:03AM (#33246496)
Evading government controls sounds like a valuable attribute.
Re:Why Rust? by marcosdumay on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:23AM (#33247658)
Yes and no, both. That really depends on what government and what control.

But anyway, the amount of value you can provide there is severely limited, as you can only at most undo the value your government is destroying. You can't ever get in a better situation than what you would get with a competent liberal-ish government and no cryptomoney.

That means some business can exist there, and a small amount of it can even be morally acceptable. But it is completely different from the internet boom.

Re:Why Rust? by RestlessMind on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:53PM (#33252930)
> You can't ever get in a better situation than what you would get with a competent liberal-ish government and no cryptomoney.

And what if you have only an incompetent authoritarian government? How would you help fight citizens of those governments? Crypto is a great tool there. Just because there are insufferable crypto-bros peddling shitcoins to make a quick buck doesn't mean entire Crypto field is useless. That'd be like blacklisting the entire data mining field because surveillance tech and adtech exist.

Re:Why Rust? by marcosdumay on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:27PM (#33254247)
> And what if you have only an incompetent authoritarian government?

Then cryptomoney can give you a limited, non-zero amount of value. Still less than fixing the government, but it is easier to deploy.

Even then, comparing it with the internet boom is bullshit.

Re:Why Rust? by RestlessMind on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:28PM (#33255485)
> Then cryptomoney can give you a limited, non-zero amount of value.

Glad we agree on this. Everything else (eg. comparison with internet boom) is a matter of degree and only time will tell.

Re:Why Rust? by achenet on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:35AM (#33247841)
oh hi there, would you like to hire a few super expensive accountants to optimize taxes like the other big corporations?

(in case it isn't obvious, yes, I fully agree that evading government control/taxation is a hugely lucrative market).

Re:Why Rust? by RestlessMind on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:50PM (#33252903)
Ability to evade government controls sounds like a great thing in a lot of circumstances. I have compiled a list of specific examples around that topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32406095

Why do you think governments are always right? Haven't you learned any history?

Re:Why Rust? by rvz on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:51AM (#33245884)
> It's a bubble, 99/100 crypto companies are going to crash and burn, or already have.

I'm sure this is the 990th time that I have heard this. The fact is, it isn't going away and it seems even more crypto companies have taken interest in using Rust and that is good.

Even some (crypto) companies are sponsoring the Rust Foundation as silver members. Nothing wrong with that. [0]

[0] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/members

Re:Why Rust? by paulgb on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:01AM (#33245965)
VC typically has an investment horizon of 10 years, and the latest crypto surge is only ~2 years old. A lot of the companies from the last (circa 2018) ICO bubble did crash and burn. I don’t think it can be taken as fact that the ones from this round are “here to stay”.
Re:Why Rust? by api on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:52AM (#33247130)
What are crypto companies doing that I should care about? Give me something I could go check out and use that is:

(1) Not speculation, gambling, or some variation thereof.

(2) Useful for something other than crypto itself.

(3) Actually works and can be used today.

(4) Continues to make sense even in a crypto bear market. (In other words: I will still buy milk even if the US dollar is falling because the point is the milk not the dollar. What in crypto is like that?)

Re:Why Rust? by RestlessMind on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:24PM (#33251753)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32406095

I prepared that post since the question you posed comes up every week here, if not more frequently.

Re:Why Rust? by api on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:08PM (#33254705)
That’s cryptocurrency in its original use case: virtual money.

This was all technically possible in 2009. What I was getting at was… what’s new? Billions and billions have been poured into all kinds of app development and R&D in this space and all we have is still what we had when Bitcoin launched.

What are all these people in crypto building? Where is it? Where can I use it?

Imagine if 25 years after the dot com era after hundreds of billions had been spent we still just had e-mail, static html4, and text chat protocols over dialup modem.

Re:Why Rust? by RestlessMind on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:24PM (#33255456)
> what’s new?

Increased social and political acceptance of Bitcoin as virtual money? That is a big deal.

> ...all we have is still what we had when Bitcoin launched.

False. In 2009, a very very small minority took it seriously. Now you have Blackrocks of the world getting in that business and SEC approving a Bitcoin ETF. So after Billions and billions of investment, now Crypto is a "serious business". Which is exactly why people in Afghanistan and Venezuela can rely on Bitcoin. They wouldn't have done so in 2009.

Another use case is digital art. Until NFTs, I am not sure how artists made money with their digital collections. Now, the creators of Bored Apes can fetch ~75 ETH (~100K USD)[1] per Ape, even today after the Crypto market has crashed. That is durable value and Crypto has enabled that avenue for artists. If you think NFTs are scam for laundering black money, burden of proof would be on you to make a case about why that is different from traditional paintings. And if you think traditional art too is nothing more than an avenue for money laundering, then... I'd propose we agree to disagree.

Yet another use case is branding. Just look at the adoption of NFTs[2] among top brands like Nike, D&G, Tiffany, Gucci, NFL, NBA, La Liga or Australian Open. If legit businesses and sports leagues are adopting Crypto for branding purposes, that is a resounding proof about the viability of this particular use case.

[1] https://opensea.io/collection/boredapeyachtclub

[2] https://www.coindesk.com/web3/top-brands-in-web3-nfts-and-th...

Re:Why Rust? by soundnote on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:49PM (#33257391)
Arguably Brave.
Re:Why Rust? by api on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @11:06AM (#33263310)
Does anyone actually use BAT or just the Brave browser? I would consider paying for a privacy-first browser in regular money, but have no interest in the BAT thing which seems entirely shoehorned in.
Re:Why Rust? by soundnote on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:52PM (#33266351)
According to Eich, something like 20% of their userbase or so. I personally have no interest in it, but don't mind their ad model. The company does sell real money services - perhaps most notably in the "pay for the browser" type category, they offer a paid, ad-free version of Brave Search.
Re:Why Rust? by gdprrrr on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:35AM (#33247846)
Well, considering that 90% of all startups fail, that number isn't unrealistic
Re:Why Rust? by littlestymaar on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:41AM (#33247942)
True, but that's the investor's problem, not the employees. They'll end up losing their jobs in the end and move on, but it's not like people in other tech company never lose their job either. The good thing when it eventually happens is that there will be a lot of senior Rust developers that are needed by most company to even start doing things in Rust.

Is their work pointless? Sure. But aren't Googlers' jobs not pointless too? That's the sad state of the 21th century: most people have a bullshit job but they need it to pay their mortgage.