Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by HiJon89 on Sunday October 16, 2022 @06:30PM
(#33227735)
With 2 million users, I imagine it would be on the order of thousands of posts per day, and maybe hundreds of reports?
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by sophiebits on Sunday October 16, 2022 @07:03PM
(#33227972)
So for a few billion users, you need tens of thousands of moderators, assuming that ratio holds?
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by smolder on Sunday October 16, 2022 @11:38PM
(#33229610)
This is a very efficient moderation force. I'd be happy to get away with 10s of thousands per billion. That's still under 100 per million. Under 1 per 10,000.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by Spivak on Sunday October 16, 2022 @07:23PM
(#33228117)
2M “subscribed” users to a subreddit is about 10% or 200,000 daily viewers with about 1% of those commenting and 0.1% posting so 2,000 comments and 200 posts per day. Some subs will be more
or less but that’s the magnitudes we’re talking about.
The equivalent situation assuming mods review every comment would be a subreddit with 1 billion users. If mods are only reviewing reports which is some small percentage of comments then adjust accordingly.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by fullsend on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:04AM
(#33229713)
Very well put, it's not even close to the same ballpark. It would also be like moderating a 1 billion user subreddit where nearly every single post is off topic and comes from different users, whereas in subreddits a few super users often produce a huge percent of the content.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by asah on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:19AM
(#33229774)
> more review every comment
Moderation workflow starts with user-reports on posts/comments. At scale, you can set a threshold as well, which dramatically reduces the number of items to review.
Obviously, scaleup the number of reviewers. Obviously, add some obvious algorithms: warnings, temporary/permanent bans, etc. ...
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by hokumguru on Sunday October 16, 2022 @08:19PM
(#33228507)
Try multiplying your numbers by a few thousand, billions of people use lets platforms daily. Reddit user interaction is also very different in regard to celebrities.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by mistermann on Sunday October 16, 2022 @08:33PM
(#33228587)
> A dozen of us moderated a controversial sub with 2M users, no problem.
No problem except for people who may have been censored due to bias and error on behalf of moderators.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by nocoiner on Sunday October 16, 2022 @08:57PM
(#33228722)
Sure, but bias is going to be a factor with any system of evaluation. It happens with human moderators, it happens with automated systems, it happens in corporate performance reviews and it happens among 12 of a defendant’s peers convened for a criminal trial. The existence of bias doesn’t pertain to whether or not a given system is scalable.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by mistermann on Sunday October 16, 2022 @09:37PM
(#33228960)
It is relevant to the objective existence of a problem though, as well as the magnitude of the importance of the problem (importance may vary substantially per instance of censorship).
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by asah on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:23AM
(#33229796)
My experience:
- yes there inherent bias, accidents etc
- an escalation system can provide double check against petty judgments. Back pressure can be created through the possibility of greater penalties.
- obviously there needs to be bias for credible accounts (older, more active, verified IRL, etc) to avoid throwaways.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works
by seattle_spring on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:02AM
(#33231235)
Which sub? I think people could claim they're successfully moderating subs like the_donald and wallstreetbets. I would disagree.
Isn't Reddit the counterexample?
A dozen of us moderated a controversial sub with 2M users, no problem.