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Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by webartisan on Sunday October 16, 2022 @04:45PM (#33227039)
I think you should speak for yourself instead of for all Indians. You believing or not believing something has little effect on facts. Bullying everyone into believing your unquestioned love for the present day government is rather disenginious.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by KrishnaShripad on Sunday October 16, 2022 @06:06PM (#33227566)
LMFAO I'm the only one on this page defending the current government. Please don't talk of "bullying" especially on HN which is anti Indian Government for a very long time and anyone who dares to raise a counterpoint gets down voted to oblivion or worse banned. No comment against the Government goes unchallenged for the most part. I'm in the minority here. And i did not speak for "all Indians" nor did i claim that anywhere. I said "plenty of Indians". Don't expect me to compensate for your lack of reading comprehension.

Facts state that the current Government enjoys sizeable vote share and that is purely for its policies and performance. And that definitely is the ground reality whether you like it or not. It won't change facts because you despise the Government for whatever beliefs you hold.

And i saw your earlier comments. Typical anti Government propaganda that I have come to expect on HN here. No wonder you guys aren't getting the votes needed to win elections.

As far as facts is concerned, the fact is this Government will get re-elected in 2024. No matter how much propaganda you wish to spread. It has little to no impact on the ground as people are fully aware of what is happening. We are not fools here.

> "Has little effects on facts"

Exactly. Prove your facts. The Wire has been caught with its pants down fabricating a big lie. It's not the first time either. We all remember Rafale deal. How Rahul Gandhi screamed on top of his lungs "Chowkidar chor hai". What happened to that? Why did the issue die down?

Has the Opposition ever taken any accusation it levelled against the Government or Modi to logical conclusion? Nope.

Lost in public debates, lost in elections, lost in Court and now losing even in Media propaganda as well. For how long will you keep blaming everyone else except yourselves for the electoral debacles? From EVM hacks to Rafale corruption and everything in between. None of these issues were taken to logical conclusions. Just wild accusations and then dropped just as easily.

If I could earn a dollar for every accusation the Opposition has levelled without taking it to resolution, I would be rich by now. Accusing is cheap. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Proving it is the hard part. And Opposition has failed miserably in proving any of their accusations. Even in the Court of Law.

What India needs is a serious Opposition that actually works for the people and has its ears to the ground. Sadly we do not have a good Opposition. Opposition is only thriving on propaganda and fly-by-night operations that involves making wild accusations without substantiating it. I remember one Opposition supporter talking about NRC draft (during Anti CAA protests - more like riots) when such a draft did not even exist nor was it tabled in the Parliament of India. This is the reason why Opposition doesn't get enough votes to come to power. It's not serious about anything.

Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by throwaway384629 on Sunday October 16, 2022 @09:57PM (#33229098)
You are mostly sharing your opinion. I am not saying that you are wrong, but stating your opinion has much less weightage than stating the facts where your claims are supported by some data/references.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by KrishnaShripad on Sunday October 16, 2022 @11:18PM (#33229517)
How do I share "facts" on somethings that are fabrications by the Opposition?

I'll attempt it: let us take the Rafale Deal accusations that was leveled against the Government of India by the Opposition Parties. They could not substantiate it with any evidence whatsoever except to claim that Modi and his Party, along with billionaire Ambani, minted billions of dollars from a defense deal which involved Government of India and the French Government in procurement of Rafale Jets (Dassault Aviation). The Opposition mounted an offensive right before the 2019 elections and even took the case to the Supreme Court of India. There, they could not substantiate any of their claims. And they took the case to the same court 3 times with various appeals. In the end, the Supreme Court got frustrated by the repeated petitions and threw out the case [2].

The reason being that the Government of India, for the first time ever, had inked the deal with the French Government directly instead of going through middlemen (which was the case with Bofors Scandal of the 90s and Augusta Westland scandal of the 2000s). Earlier Governments used middlemen to sign deals so that the monetary exchange happened through these middlemen who would give a kickback to the politicians involved in making the deal happen.

The current Government of India decided not to go through the middlemen route and instead inked a deal directly with the French Government. This obviously did not sit well with the Opposition as it lost a big source of corruption revenue (the Opposition was gunning for Lockheed Martin's F-16 (and subsequently Hybrid F-21 jet) or Eurofighter and wanted it done through middlemen). If Government had gone through this route, there would be huge kickback (to the tune of billions of dollars) that would go straight into the pockets of greedy politicians.

Now since the Government did not take that route, there was no scope for corruption anymore as everything had to be done in black and white (with the French Government having to pay the Indian Government directly which would be received by the Treasury and not some corrupt politician or middleman).

Yet the Opposition cried that there was corruption in the deal by picking clauses out of context (for example, the offset clause in the deal) or randomly accusing the Prime Minister of actually facilitating the deal on behalf of billionaire Anil Ambani. None of these accusations withstood the scrutiny of the Supreme Court of India [1]. But in 2019, it was the biggest election issue. Turned out to be a damp squib.

[1]: https://www.legalservicesindia.com/law/article/1120/9/SC-Dis...

[2]: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/cant-go-into-rafal...