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Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by DisjointedHunt on Sunday October 16, 2022 @01:54PM (#33225621)
Can you explicitly state that those tags are not used for ANYTHING else?

ie, is it possible that there are classifiers you may not be aware of that take this tag into account while taking down other accounts? Are there ANY safeguards to ensure the visibility or use of these tags is restricted to this one use case alone?

You and I both know the answer to that based on Privacy documents leaked earlier where engineers explicitly stated what a mess the data control and accountability systems at Facebook were[1]

[1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21716382-facebook-da...

Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by nindalf on Sunday October 16, 2022 @02:47PM (#33226107)
> Can you explicitly state

I can’t explicitly state that because I cant look at the code right now. What I can say is that I would be very surprised if it was. XCheck isn’t meant to be called explicitly by integrity detection. Detection should make its own decision and take the action on the account or content. During action enforcement XCheck is implicitly called.

But anyhow, if you’re looking for an employee to explicitly state that XCheck isn’t used this way, here’s one (https://twitter.com/guyro/status/1579835594980864001)

> The stories are simply incorrect about the cross-check program, which was built to prevent potential over-enforcement mistakes. It has nothing to do with the ability to report posts, as alleged in the article.

Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by mox1 on Sunday October 16, 2022 @02:48PM (#33226115)
Your asking him to prove a negative, of course he cannot do that…
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by swores on Sunday October 16, 2022 @03:06PM (#33226273)
No, they're asking for a negative to be claimed not a negative to be proven.

  "Can you explicitly *state* that..."
"State" meaning to say or write a claim, no proof involved.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by wil421 on Sunday October 16, 2022 @07:13PM (#33228046)
One could argue they are baiting OP to make a concise statement about Facebook policies. I wouldn’t touch that with 10 foot pole.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by DisjointedHunt on Monday October 17, 2022 @02:30PM (#33237733)
Strange, a concise statement about Facebook policies with a LOT of internal information is precisely what this blog is.

Perhaps you should read the blog first?

Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by teddyh on Sunday October 16, 2022 @07:20PM (#33228097)
In order to state anything which they know to be true, they must first prove it to themselves. But if it is something which cannot be proven, then of course they cannot know it to be true, and consequently they cannot then honestly state it.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by tourist2d on Sunday October 16, 2022 @06:30PM (#33227741)
Trying to "gotcha" someone being helpful and replying to comments is quite rude. No one working at Facebook would reply yes to that comment, which makes it quite worthless.
Re:XCheck at Meta: Why it exists and how it works by DisjointedHunt on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:07AM (#33229724)
Wow, is it not rude to question the intent behind asking for a technical clarification? There is no gotcha here. It's simply asking OP to rule out this very obvious gap that their statement leaves unaddressed. Being helpful != being accurate.

The OP has pretty much said that X-Check tags are not intended to automatically take action on reports.

That is a pretty different thing from saying the people applying the tags don't expect action to be taken, but there could be entire organizations of 1000s of people where those tags serve a different purpose.

Please read the link above for context on how terrible Facebooks data control practices are, wherein this very act could be routinely occurring and OP or anyone making decisive statements would be irresponsible in doing so.