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Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by k__ on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:17AM (#33214509)
They create plausible deniability for higher ups.
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by Ladioss on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:22AM (#33214561)
An unavoidable, essential and expensive evolution with the rise (and the domination) of the managerial civilization.
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by haolez on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:24AM (#33214576)
Do you have any recommendations on books about "managerial civilization"?
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by Ladioss on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:27AM (#33214611)
* Managerialism: The Emergence of a New Ideology

* Mediocracy: The Politics of the Extreme Centre

* The Managerial Revolution

Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by conductr on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:23AM (#33214567)
“Decision support” and “strategic (blank)” are how this is often messaged

In a regulated space, I have found we usually bring them in initially just to find out how our competition is dealing with a new requirement. We may not even engage longer with them on the bigger project. This is actually useful because they have insights to so many companies.

Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by lupire on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:04AM (#33214950)
Right. It's corporate espionage.
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by chrischattin on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:28AM (#33214615)
Yep. Consultants are compensated very well to take the blame if the thing executives wanted to do anyway doesn’t work out.
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by ryan93 on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:13PM (#33218205)
This gets said so much im now becoming skeptical. Third rate CEOs are keeping their jobs as long as they hired mckinsey?
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by juve1996 on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:57AM (#33214880)
I don't buy this argument very much.

Higher ups are responsible for the company. You can blame consultants all you want but the board is still going to want heads to roll if you're underperforming.

Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by lotsofpulp on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:49AM (#33215315)
The plausible deniability does not have to be just from shareholders. It can also be from the courts, or even other employees in the company. Also, the plausible deniability is for the person in the company doing the head rolling, so that they do not get caught up in it. Of course, some things can get so big that board members and CEO can get caught up in it, but not always.
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by juve1996 on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:14PM (#33217690)
I still don't buy it. Consultancies give recommendations and explain them. These things are well documented.

McKinsey and Purdue worked together on opioids. Both were sued and both had to pay for their strategy which resulted in addiction and death.

Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by lotsofpulp on Saturday October 15, 2022 @06:47PM (#33219352)
I would qualify that under:

> Of course, some things can get so big that board members and CEO can get caught up in it, but not always.

Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by juve1996 on Saturday October 15, 2022 @08:13PM (#33219882)
But that isn't what you're arguing - you're arguing that it provides plausible deniability, but it clearly doesn't, as I've shown in my example. It clearly doesn't provide plausible deniability in serious scenarios, which would be the ones that matter and you would want it from.
Re:Do McKinsey and other consultants do anything useful? by juve1996 on Saturday October 15, 2022 @08:59PM (#33220144)
So let me get this straight - it's for plausible deniability, but it doesn't work in the case you would want it to the most?