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Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by whoisjuan on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:08AM (#33203697)
If you buy the theory that Bytedance is a covert operation by the Chinese government, then this fits the narrative.

Use the TikTok brand to attract top global talent and perform research in areas of general interest for government agencies.

They only need to build a backdoor for Chinese officials to access the research data.

Sounds far fetched but I believe this is well within the realm of possibilities.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by causi on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:10AM (#33203722)
at some levels a covert operation by the Chinese government

It isn't covert.

They only need to build a backdoor for Chinese officials to access the research data.

If it's located in China the Chinese government can access it, period. It's not secret or a conspiracy; it's how business is done.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by kube-system on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:31AM (#33204004)
Chinese law requires companies to make provisions for representing the interests of the CCP within companies of significant size. This isn’t a conspiracy, it’s routine business law.

There is no need for the CCP to conspire to control businesses. They have ultimate control of business law.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by trasz on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:48AM (#33205111)
It works the same way in capitalist countries - except it’s enforced with money and patriotism instead of democratically introduced, officially existing rules.
Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by kube-system on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:55AM (#33205202)
They’re “the same” only in a reductionist sort of way that isn’t very conducive to productive conversation.

Varying economic and legal systems are different in the specifics about how they work, even if self interested individuals exist everywhere.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by trasz on Friday October 14, 2022 @02:25PM (#33207095)
They are the same in every practical sense, in particular in their end results.

The differences you mention are an implementation detail - in some countries you have the rules written down as law, in others you got shady three letter agencies, kangaroo "FISA courts", and In-Q-Tel.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by kube-system on Friday October 14, 2022 @03:46PM (#33208013)
The end results are not the same. There are many observable differences between doing business in China and in the US or other western market democracies. For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.
Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by trasz on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:10PM (#33208278)
>For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.

And? How's that different from China?

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by kube-system on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:41PM (#33208583)
China does not have an independent judiciary.
Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by trasz on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:37PM (#33209100)
[citation needed]

US, on the other hand, definitely doesn't - everyone from the top is chosen by politicians.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by kube-system on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:58PM (#33209785)
> [citation needed]

I’m not claiming anything controversial. The SPC openly says that they follow the guidance of the Party. https://qz.com/886665/xi-jinping-promised-legal-reform-in-ch...

The US has a judiciary comprising of judges picked by politicians from two competing parties.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by trasz on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:13AM (#33212856)
>the guidance of the Party

Which, translated to western terms, is like guidance of the Department of Justice.

>politicians from two competing parties

Here the term “party” means something completely different from above. If you imagine the political system as layers, China places boundaries between those layers differently from the West, and if you continue to use the terms for those layers (“party”) without realizing this, you’ll arrive at silly conclusions.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by fuzzfactor on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:47AM (#33215293)
If the party wanted to tap into (or monopolize) the top emerging computationalists from the world, beyond the limit of Chinese nationals, and you were one of them approaching graduation, would you be willing to or allowed to be recruited directly into party service with a paycheck coming directly from the party?

Or more likely to merely work remotely as an employee of a captive company?

Looks like a minimum of 7 staggered projects where each one may already have a defined objective which needs to remain obscure to the actual participants under this program.

>Our goal is to create breakthroughs in natural science with new methodology

Directly straightforward, everybody wants this. It's completely true and challenging enough that the recruits will need to be immersed in this to the max, given anything they want in pursuit of this objective, with no stone unturned.

>and help the world.

Help the world do what?

None of these recruits will have any influence as to "what" turns out to be, and will be expected to never concern themseleves with this other side of the equation. Those that conform can be rewarded over the long term better than any non-monopoly can compare to, increasing the likelihood of having their challenging scientific objectives being eventually met.

Naievete looks so important that upcoming graduates appear to have precedece over established professionals. Rather than the proven performance that businesses can count on, there could instead be emphasis on freshly proven potential, willing to be indoctrinated into a "company" culture that is "humble, intelligent, compassionate and creative" on the party's own (carefully crafted) terms so any alternative cultural features can be nipped in the bud.

This is intended to be someone's first job [0] and they definitely want to see if they can find the kind of people who would have ordinarily worked for Bell Labs if it was still a monopoly.

As always you've got to carefully choose what kind of monopolies and their labs you want to promote, or even support at all.

If the monopolistic salvos are large enough, it might even be possible to fully brain-drain the competition while exponentially increasing their own chances of complete domination.

[0] Well actually almost every one of them's first job.

Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by freewinz on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:11AM (#33203747)
Please stop the attitude of pandering to low-IQ redditors when proposing plausible theories with self-deprecation and incorrect use of the word "conspiracy"
Re:TikTok has an open computational chemistry position by whoisjuan on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:15AM (#33203785)
This is not pandering. I don’t have any information to categorically claim any of this, so why would I say it in any other way?

I’m self-deprecating because I’m on the fence on whether or not this is real or just some fictional plot I want to believe.

Chill, alright?