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Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by nyuszika7h on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:07PM (#33169277)
You can't be racist against white people because they are not systematically oppressed. And I'm saying this as a white person.

Asians sure, but I would think diversity programs generally try to include them too.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by djbebs on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:29PM (#33169471)
But they are systematically oppressed. Just look at college affirmative action policies.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by psd1 on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @03:33AM (#33173961)
...but don't look at a century of explicitly racist zoning laws and school funding disparity...
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by Octabrain on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:59PM (#33169789)
I hate to have to say something this obvious but here it goes:

Discriminating against a group of human beings for an arbitrary detail such as the color of the skin is indeed racist. No matter if that human being is a freaking north-europe-blonde-arian-white or whatever. No matter if that human being is or not opressed or whatever. Judging people by the color of the skin is WRONG. This ideological bullshit that US is expelling that pretends to normalice racism against white people is atrocious and must end and everyone, like you, that follows this line of thought must be called out and being exposed as what you are, which is being a fucking racist.

Seriously, it is beyond me.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by ParetoOptimal on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:12AM (#33175783)
It is racist, but it's not the same kind of racist backed by 200 plus years of systematic oppression.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by Octabrain on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:46AM (#33176108)
Ok, so we distinguish between "good racism" and "bad racism" then? Absurd. Sorry but I do not make that distinction: racism is bad no matter what your ancestor did and it's despicable. Also, *stop* assuming that the whole world has the same historical context as the US.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by ParetoOptimal on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:56AM (#33176226)
> Ok, so we distinguish between "good racism" and "bad racism" then?

How uncharitable. I never said either racism was bad, just that one has less weight behind it.

> Also, stop assuming that the whole world has the same historical context as the US.

This is a thread about a US based company so assuming the historical context of the US matters is fair.

Also anti-black racism exists across the world.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by Octabrain on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @10:53AM (#33177862)
I'm sorry but I simply don't buy those "scales of racism" of yours. Racism is bad, period.

> This is a thread about a US based company so assuming the historical context of the US matters is fair.

I was talking in general terms given that I've encountered this US ideological racist garbage in many places at this point.

> Also anti-black racism exists across the world.

Not at least where I'm originally from (Africa).

I cannot get my head around any of these arguments other than pure and simple indoctrination. As soon as you apply basic common sensical logical reasoning to it, you see how outrageous and ridiculous is.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by datavirtue on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @09:48AM (#33176925)
Oh, it's a different kind of racism. Such a relief.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by ParetoOptimal on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @10:26AM (#33177458)
Not a relief, but that difference means one is a more pressing issue than the other. In the same way someone with chest pains in the ER goes back before someone with non-critical respiratory issues.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by jimmygrapes on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:06PM (#33169857)
Depends on the system in "systemic". I wouldn't dare argue too much about the U.S. but if you applied the same standards globally?... Well, "whites" aren't looking so oppressive on an individual scale, and on a national scale the "white" countries most oppressive aren't long for being viewed as "white" within a generation or two, regardless of how often "great replacement" conspiracy theories are debunked. See the ever-expanding definition of "white" in order to maintain the illusion.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by dekhn on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:44PM (#33170748)
I disagree; racism is racism regardless of the class situation of the target. A small number of people have promoted the idea that if a class is not systematically oppressed, it can't be a target of racism, but that's wrong. It was picked up by the mainstream press and promoted as an idea for a while, but it's wrong.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by dijonman2 on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:51PM (#33170814)
It absolutely is racist and dividing the country more and more. It’s not ok to hate white people.
Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by int_19h on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:11PM (#33170985)
In colloquial English, racism has the same meaning today that it did for decades before - a belief that humans' behavior depends on their race, and prejudice and/or discrimination stemming from such a belief.

The whole "prejudice + power" thing is a late social studies invention. Which is fine - different fields of study often have their own terminology, including using words in ways that do not directly match their regular meaning. What's not fine is people from those fields of study lecturing everyone else on how we're supposedly using it wrong. It's like biologists going around randomly yelling at people that tomatoes aren't vegetables whenever the subject comes up... except biologists don't do that.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by 31337Logic on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:33PM (#33171159)
> You can't be racist against white people

Of course you can. And it's really easy, too. You simply discriminate against their race (or, as you have described, their skin color).

In case you haven't figured it out by now, if a human being can be lumped into a race, then racism can be levelled towards that person. That's literally baked into the meaning of the word racism.