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Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by amelius on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:27AM (#33161155)
Fortunately most people stay at the machine after typing their password.

Anyway perhaps now is a good time to get some 2fa hardware token.

Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by jbj on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:31AM (#33161194)
not if that machine is an ATM
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by codetiger on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:32AM (#33161204)
So in case of ATMs we now need to make sure we soft touch some random buttons to ensure this trick doesn't work.
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by drath on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:55AM (#33161348)
Also, to mitigate the problem somewhat, one could obfuscate the order at which the numbers were pressed by setting a custom pin with repeating numbers. Ideally, just repeating one./s
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by agent008t on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:30AM (#33161585)
I have already seen some ATMs that shuffle the numbers on the numberpad around for each PIN entry. It is inconvenient for muscle memory, but prevents this kind of attack.
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by soco on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:01AM (#33162303)
I know somebody working at a bank talking about their implementation, and how many elderly customers block their cards after wrongly entering their pin.
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by amelius on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:01AM (#33161400)
With an ATM you are already using a hardware token ;)
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by cricalix on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:13AM (#33161480)
There are ATMs in Europe that will take the card, ask for what you want to do, ask the amount if it’s a withdrawal, and then ask for the PIN and dispense it. This reduces the time between typing and dispensing. No idea if it’s a significant enough reduction in the time versus card, pin, navigate to withdraw, dispense such that it would enable this attack.
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by Semaphor on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:03AM (#33162862)
What do ATMs elsewhere do? This is the only way I know.
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:19AM (#33163011)
The ATMs I regularly use authenticate THEN ask for what you want to do.
Re:AI-driven thermal cameras used to obtain passwords by pluc on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:52AM (#33162207)
Even with 2FA, any sort of "remember me for a minute and I'll go get a coffee" makes it pretty useless.