yep, same. Oracle can die in a fire.

And who would take their place moving Java forward?

Since Sun went down, it hardly goes over 10% of external contributions, and no one else cared about getting hold of Java 6.

So both java and oracle die. Seems like a double win.

I guess JetBrains should hurry up with Kotlin/Native then.

Maybe Google or Amazon could come up with GoSpring as well.

A great deal of Spring is based on classpath scanning and reflection; I don't think any such thing as ServiceLoader exists in golang, and my experience with the golang reflection has been "this is clearly solving some other problem than the one I have"

You underestimate the genius of enterprise and solution architects.

> And who would take their place moving Java forward?

Dotnet - it's already ahead, and the existing software can stay in the current Java version. (I'm joking (but not really))

I do .NET and Java for 20 years now, there are so many workloads where .NET still doesn't matter at all.

Why do you think Microsoft is now back in Java land with their own distribution, after everything that happened with Sun's lawsuit?

> Why do you think Microsoft is now back in Java land with their own distribution

Because they have enough engineers to throw at any big environment where they can potentially expand in the future and having own distribution for an app layer lays foundations for new Azure services? (edit: checked after the response; first paragraph: "Java at Microsoft spans from Azure to Minecraft, across SQL Server to Visual Studio Code" - yeah, I think I got it)

So .NET was born out of legal issues with Java, and those critical issues happen to be written in Java instead of .NET, by the company that created .NET in first place, so much for "Dotnet - it's already ahead..."

And here are some examples where .NET is hardly ahead, it isn't even there.

https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/perc

https://www.aicas.com/wp/products-services/jamaicavm/

https://developer.cisco.com/site/jtapi/overview/

https://emea.ricoh-developer.com/about-us/membership/smart-m...

https://www.microej.com/

Among other several use cases outside mainstream computing, there are many JVM vendors out there, in the similar vein as C and C++ ones.

And naturally the elephant in the room, Android with its Android Java flavour, with Xamarin not really offering a good development experience, to the point Xamarin rants are quite easy to find on the interwebs (it remains to be seen if MAUI is any better).

I'd wager external contributions are reflecting people's opinion of Oracle. I'd never contribute to something they own.

Yet they gladly profit from it.

It is like all Sun freeloaders complaining about Oracle buying the company, while no one else bothered to get them out of trouble.

Amazon Corretto, Google… java and JVM run deep many big places

> And who would take their place moving Java forward?

The fleet of companies who use Java extensively and care about it's future.

Java has a huge ecosystem to put it lightly. Oracle is not the single point of failure.

Oracle MUST die in a fire.

ōrāculum delenda est!