the root of this is poverty unfortunately, not the people. They are not the problem.

I’m terms of real gdp per capita, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and India is richer than the US was when it had been a stable multiparty democracy for more than half a century already. You know what was poor? Utah when the Mormons first got there. Hostile wasteland, not like Bangladesh where fish jump out of ponds into your pot. But look what they managed to do with land nobody wanted.

Maybe you can invite British Queen back.

No, I disagree, I don't know where you get your number from, I couldn't find anything to support your argument. I don't believe anything about GDP anyway. For rich country, GDP means how much they can rob; for poor countries, GDP is how many slaves you have. Poverty is a downward cycle unfortunately, democracy is not going to help with anything.

100% agree with your comment. Culture makes the people and the people make the culture.

My point is more that the feedback loop is something that was put in place generations ago and most people are just stuck in it. We should pity such people, not despise them.

To be clear, I don’t think we should “despise” anyone and I wouldn’t call any place a “shit hole” because it’s rude.

But insofar as the term is commonly used as a shorthand to describe places marked by dysfunction, Pakistan (and to be fair Bangladesh) fit the bill—notwithstanding nice people, great food, and pretty scenery.

Dysfunction is a great word to describe it, I will accept that :)