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Re:Energy vs. Sovereign Bond Markets by benj111 on Monday October 10, 2022 @10:48AM (#33152068)
Yes and no.

If I buy a house with a mortgage, that's a risk. If interest rates shoot up to 10%, 20%, or I get made redundant, I lose my house and the risk hasn't paid off.

Yes you could point to the fact that I bought the house as the reason why I am now bankrupt and homeless, but I don't think that tells the whole story.

There's always risks that could turn into something worse, quite often they don't though. I think it's reasonable to point to 9/11 as a cause of the following recession because if that hadn't have happened we wouldn't have had the recession (if you accept that assumption).

Re:Energy vs. Sovereign Bond Markets by roenxi on Monday October 10, 2022 @05:44PM (#33156740)
The joke here is that the bond traders could not foresee 9/11 and did not predict the response to 9/11. They were forecasting the recession based on predictable indicators.

And 9/11 itself couldn't possibly have caused a recession. 2 buildings just isn't enough damage to be measured in a system as large and complex as the US economy. If you want to argue that the Afghanistan invasion contributed to the recession I am sympathetic to that idea, but the general consensus seems to be that war is helpful for the economy (which I don't hesitate to argue is a stupid consensus - but it is what it is).

Re:Energy vs. Sovereign Bond Markets by benj111 on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @03:38AM (#33160439)
No. 2 buildings collapsing doesn't cause a recession.

But are you really saying 9/11 is just 2 buildings collapsing?

There's a lot of psychology in the markets.