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Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by rdtwo on Saturday October 08, 2022 @09:57PM (#33137688)
Umm batteries all have that problem
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by CyanBird on Saturday October 08, 2022 @10:37PM (#33137830)
Batteries don't burn anything
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by Maursault on Saturday October 08, 2022 @11:13PM (#33137970)
except for planes
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by jimmygrapes on Saturday October 08, 2022 @11:24PM (#33138014)
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by elil17 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:25AM (#33138265)
No, but they do require a lot of nasty metals to make, whereas hydrogen combustion can be done with more commonplace materials.
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by kube-system on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:02AM (#33138178)
Yeah but batteries spin motors which are 90+% efficient. ICE is < 50%. And we have electrical distribution pretty much figured out already.
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by elil17 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:24AM (#33138261)
According to Dr. Jack Lewnard at ARPA-E, electricity costs about $100 to $250/MW-hr to deliver when amortizing the costs of the expanded grid infrastructure needed for electrification. The costs of expanding the gas grid for hydrogen (which is less energy dense than gas and requires changes to equipment) would be slightly less. Meanwhile, synthesized hydrocarbons (e.g. from direct air capture) could require essentially no changes to the gas grid

Grid concerns will likely be one of the factors that determines the energy carrier of the future.

Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by kube-system on Sunday October 09, 2022 @02:03PM (#33143695)
> The costs of expanding the gas grid for hydrogen (which is less energy dense than gas and requires changes to equipment) would be slightly less.

I seriously doubt this. Hydrogen is notoriously difficult to work with and also, it has no natural source. It has to be generated from some other energy source.

Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by Hnrobert42 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @01:02AM (#33138410)
True in the developed world.

However, there are quite a few existing Diesel engines in the developing world where the grid isn’t as sorted.

Now, I don’t know if hydrogen distribution would be a bigger challenge than just solving electrical distribution. But it does seem like this is a technology that could have some purpose. I mean, what about retrofitting diesel backup generators?

Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by kube-system on Sunday October 09, 2022 @10:44PM (#33147266)
Hydrogen is more difficult to transport than electricity, by far.
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by _hypx on Monday October 10, 2022 @12:06AM (#33147674)
Hydrogen is easier to transport than electricity because it can be pipelined and stored in tanks/caverns.
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by kube-system on Monday October 10, 2022 @01:06AM (#33147968)
So can CNG, which is where most hydrogen comes from anyway. Just cut out the middle step and do a CNG conversion. They’re mature, less likely to leak, and don’t attack metals.
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by _hypx on Monday October 10, 2022 @01:09AM (#33147993)
The point is to make it from electrolysis of water.
Re:New system retrofits diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen by greenthrow on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:22AM (#33138251)
Not remotely. Batteries don't get used up in one cycle as with burning hydrogen. Batteries are far more efficient than even producing hydrogen let alone producing it and then transporting it and then burning it.