Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by ncmncm on Saturday October 08, 2022 @03:03PM
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Binary stars are so common, it surprises me to find so few phenomena that involve companions. It was gratifying to see suggested a neutron star diving through a diffuse neighbor.
There are of course type Iä supernovas. ("Fhtagn!")
Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by jwuphysics on Saturday October 08, 2022 @04:28PM
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This is definitely an interesting object, but based on the recent literature[0] it seems most astronomers attribute the odd signatures to interactions with its circumstellar material. The Wikipedia article focuses a bit too much on the initial Nature paper authored by Arcavi et al...
Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by denton-scratch on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @12:08PM
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The article says this is a Type II-P supernova; the wikipedia link says that's a core-collapse supernova, and results in a neutron star. It says the collapse of the core occurs in seconds. I suppose the production of heavy elements and radiation must continue for days or weeks.
If a big star's core collapses to a neutron star in seconds, and the outer parts of the star get blown away due to reaching escape velocity, how does this thing keep blazing for four years? Is it really not a core-collapse supernova?
Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by vikingerik on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @12:25PM
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The most likely hypothesis seems to be that there is a lot of interstellar material around the star, such that the ejecta is colliding with that and keeping it hot to keep glowing. It was a core-collapse supernova initially; the energy released from that is being absorbed and more slowly re-emitted by the thick surrounding material. (Thick in astronomical terms is still something like a microgram of hydrogen per cubic meter.)
Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by denton-scratch on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @02:04PM
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Yeah, that's roughly what I figured (IANAA). But it still seems hard to explain six flashes bright enough to appear like a supernova. I'd expect the flash of any kind of supernova to be brighter than the flash of a shockwave hitting a shell of gas. But I know nothing.
And anyway, for the shockwave from a supernova explosion to hit the shell of expanding gas from a previous explosion, that still seems to imply two supernova explosions from the same star. The only way I know that can happen is in a binary system.
Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by lazide on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @03:39PM
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Perhaps it’s a hybrid? Original core collapse, then accretion of in falling material after the shock from the last explosion dissipates, causing spontaneous fusion/degeneracy again and re-explosion?
Re:A Star That Seems to Have Exploded Six Times in the Past ...
by ozzythecat on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @09:16PM
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There’s a hypothesis it’s actually three stars in close proximity, which we see as a single star from our point of view. The hypothesis goes on to state this tri-star system undergoes Chaotic Eras, followed by Stable Eras. During the Chaotic Eras, the three stars come extreme close proximity, wrecking havoc on potential planets and moons in the system. Some scientists are trying to predict when they might next observe this false Supernova illusion, given the last time it occurred and these stars’ distance from Earth. Unfortunately, no closed form solution to this three body problem exists.
Start at 7:24 to skip the intro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zfMyzXqfI
There are of course type Iä supernovas. ("Fhtagn!")
[0] https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/search/fq=%7B!type%3Daqp%20v%3...
If a big star's core collapses to a neutron star in seconds, and the outer parts of the star get blown away due to reaching escape velocity, how does this thing keep blazing for four years? Is it really not a core-collapse supernova?
And anyway, for the shockwave from a supernova explosion to hit the shell of expanding gas from a previous explosion, that still seems to imply two supernova explosions from the same star. The only way I know that can happen is in a binary system.