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Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by bombcar on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:31PM (#33126535)
Deep down you have the dichotomy between "instant payment" and "refundable payment".

If I'm selling you a car, I don't want a Zelle transfer for the money that I know you could claim was fraud and claw back from me - then I'm out the money AND the car; I'll demand cash in that case.

Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by gtowey on Friday October 07, 2022 @06:16PM (#33127525)
Right, which is why you can't do this without impartial arbitration.

Essentially each transaction that is "refundable" is an implied contract between parties and it should be verifiable. Such as in the case of a car sale it is pretty easy for a third party to check if the car was received.

Or somehow have a notary to witness and verify the transaction.

This is the basic problem is that you can't have instant transfers with fraud prevention. It's impossible to claim that banks don't understand this and IMHO it should be considered criminal negligence that they pushed this product on consumers knowing that it just exposes them to easy fraud.

Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by MerelyMortal on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:26PM (#33129537)
> I'm out the money AND the car

Incorrect. You only deserved one, not both. You don't get the money AND the car. It's either your car and someone else's money, or someone else's car and your money.