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Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by throw7 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:36PM (#33125928)
> if everybody has iPhones, Apple's Cash functionality is good

and google pay? this may surprise you but in my immediate family only 1 (out of 6) has an iphone. we basically use zelle to transfer cash around. I personally will not use paypal or venmo, but I do use google pay.

Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by judge2020 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:39PM (#33125958)
I also imagine FedNow might become apart of your workflow, depending on just how well it works (Releases May to July 2023) https://www.federalreserve.gov/paymentsystems/fednow_about.h....
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by recursive on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:39PM (#33125957)
What's the issue with paypal and venmo?
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by judge2020 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:41PM (#33125982)
Probably due to the paypal horror stories; note that Paypal acquired Venmo in their Braintree acquisition: https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/19/venmo-now-lets-you-find-an...
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by heliodor on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:43PM (#33126008)
Venmo doesn't offer 2fa with an authenticator app. Only text message 2fa. Leaves you open to sim swap attacks, which are common and the carriers are doing nothing to prevent.
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by pb7 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:48PM (#33126068)
PayPal has a long shiny history of screwing people over and Venmo is now not only owned by PayPal but the app is hot garbage and gets worse with every update (probably due to the aforementioned ownership).
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by Maursault on Friday October 07, 2022 @06:26PM (#33127607)
I use PayPal, not as heavily as I have in the past, but I have been scammed by about a dozen sellers, and in all cases, PayPal refunded my money. I've never heard of PayPal screwing over customers, only that it being owned by eBay is annoying because eBay gets two sets of fees on payments for sellers.
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by pb7 on Friday October 07, 2022 @09:04PM (#33128856)
I don't care enough to find the biggest stories over the last 15+ years but here are two articles from January 2022 referencing a class action lawsuit over freezing of funds without explanation:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/paypal-stole-use...

https://www.engadget.com/paypal-lawsuit-freezing-customer-ac...

And to be clear, this is not an isolated event.

Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by Ekaros on Saturday October 08, 2022 @04:47AM (#33130818)
Paypal is entirely reasonable as buyer. But I would never ever use it to receive money. Or hold balance there.
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by boring_twenties on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:06PM (#33129192)
PayPal is known for keeping your money at length or indefinitely with no explanation or recourse.

Venmo is a mindbogglingly stupid thing that requires you to take active steps just to keep it from broadcasting your financial activity to the world, and last I checked there was no way to keep your "friend list" from being public at all.

On top of that there was a period where they disabled transfer functionality on their website altogether and the only way you could send money was through their proprietary mobile app. Seems they eventually reversed course on this, but I have no idea how long it took.

Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by Maursault on Friday October 07, 2022 @06:22PM (#33127567)
Not sure what your issue is with PayPal (philosophical objection to it seems to be popular), but at least PayPal will refund your money if you are scammed. Zelle will not and never has, and I suspect that is why banks won't cover Zelle scams. I personally consider Zelle itself a scam, and it boggles the mind why so many banks have partnerships with it. Automatic Zelle accounts when opening a bank account? Oh my God that is an astoundingly bad idea.
Re:Big U.S. Banks Are Stiffing Account Takeover Victims by davchana on Friday October 07, 2022 @09:49PM (#33129094)
Zell3 itself does not store any money. It's just an interface, a glue between accounts by supporting banks.

Instead of asking the user their bank account number, routing number; you simply ask their zelle email or phone number (either of which can be with any bank, no info leaked). You send money.

Zelle ask for phone or email of other party, then it shows their registered name in Bold. If one still confirms to send, its on them.

Zelle options like check options, imagine if people said Oh my God auto check honor system??