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Re:School vs. Wikipedia by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:29PM (#33125850)
Here is a simple idea that AFAIK has not been tried.

Limit "External Links" to only websites found in Google Scholar. More specifically, limit them to only academic sources. (Maybe limiting to .edu or country-specific educational TLDs, e.g., ac.uk, etc. is better. I realise Scholar is hardly a reliable filter for non-commercial sources, given Google's incentives. Remember "Knol".)

This could be an option. Maybe an HTTP header sent to Wikipedia:

   Academic-Only: on
The way to "fix the quality of article" is to fix the quality of sources. As it stands, Wikipedia can use any source it finds on the web. (Not to say they do in practice.) That can be an extremely low bar.

One can use Wikipedia solely as a path to "External Links" and/or "References". To the extent that articles just take their sentences from References or External Links, any verification needs to be done on the source, not the article. I use Wikipedia as the default search engine in Fennec. On desktop, I search Wikipedia from the command line with a custom script. The forward proxy scrubs the "X-Client-IP" header. Before reading an article, in the event I read the article instead of only using External LInks and references, I always skim the Talk: page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Criticism_of_Google/Archive_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knol/Archive_1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knol/Archive_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knol/Archive_3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knol/Archive_4

Re:School vs. Wikipedia by gpm on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:47PM (#33126683)
Unfortunately, I don't think that works at all. Not all universities use education specific TLDs, and not all departments/labs in universities with a domain name under an education specific TLD actually keep there website under that TLD.

Completely random example of such a lab (and if you check publications you'll see they host papers under this domain name) https://www.honeylab.org/

Re:School vs. Wikipedia by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:04PM (#33126838)
Is this domain excluded in Google Scholar searches.
Re:School vs. Wikipedia by gpm on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:28PM (#33127091)
That one in particular? No clue. I'm not sure what google scholar's criteria are.

I know things on utoronto.ca turn up sometimes for a example that does (UofTs non-edu domain name, which is used for most things. Though toronto.edu is also owned by the university and used for some things).

Re:School vs. Wikipedia by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:43PM (#33127230)
TLD alone would certainly not be enough of a filter. Scholar has to account for scientific publishers that use TLDs like .com and .org and other non-school websites that use ccTLDs.

But Scholar proves it is possible to usefully filter for peer-reviewed papers.

Filtering is never "perfect". The question is whether it is good enough to be useful.

Re:School vs. Wikipedia by melagonster on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:24PM (#33129533)
I understand your needs, but where people can find a academic resources to say their basketball team won a game?
Re:School vs. Wikipedia by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Saturday October 08, 2022 @02:08AM (#33130195)
Using Wikipedia for sports scores. Never knew about that.

I use it sometimes for historical scores from past championships but beyond that I have plenty of non-Wikipedia sources for real-time or recent scores.

Nor can I say I have ever used Wikipedia to find sites that publish scores, either.

But maybe I just have not discovered how Wikipedia can be used for basketball scores. No doubt there are better sources for basketbal scores.

Anyway, I fail to see how giving someone the option to restrict Wikipedia "Related Links" and "References" to, say, academic ones would interfere with the status quo. It would not stop anyone from getting basketball scores by any manner they choose. Obviously do not enable an option to restrict to academic sources if looking for sports scores.

It's fascinating to see comments like this that try to argue against hypothetical options (I have seen this sort of comment before) because software and "tech" companies have a long history of forcing new "features" on people who never asked for them. People are not even given a choice. "Do you want this new feature?" is not a question that is ever asked.

Re:School vs. Wikipedia by teddyh on Saturday October 08, 2022 @08:16AM (#33131661)
> Limit "External Links" to only websites found in Google Scholar.

Do we really want Google to have even more authority of what is considered accepted truths in society?

Re:School vs. Wikipedia by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Saturday October 08, 2022 @04:54PM (#33135929)
No, and that is why I included a explicit statement regarding Google.

At the same time, it would be silly not to admit Scholar is quite useful. Not everyone has a subscription to a large collection of academic journals and many papers are often published via non-commercial websites, as pre-prints, etc.

Imagine prohibiting Wikipedia editors from using Google Search when researching Wikipedia articles. If they are allowed to use it then that means Google has some control over what is cited in Wikipedia.