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Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by JTbane on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:25PM (#33113600)
STAR voting can be easily gamed- tell your supporters "vote MAX for me and 0 for everyone else". Anyone who gives more than a 0 to their second choice candidate will hurt their first choice.
Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by notriddle on Thursday October 06, 2022 @05:03PM (#33114068)
The only voting system that isn't "vulnerable" to bullet voting is FPTP, since it obligates you to bullet vote.
Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by dane-pgp on Friday October 07, 2022 @01:22AM (#33117728)
Actually that's not the only invulnerable system; there's also "Asset Voting", which I've mentioned in a comment above[0]. It also obligates you to bullet vote, since the voter's honest first preference is the only information needed, but it avoids the spoiler problems of FPTP, and is thus superior to it.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33117670

Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by crazygringo on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:02AM (#33122300)
Huh? Ranked voting isn't vulnerable to bullet voting.

If you only rank a single candidate, there's zero benefit, you're just throwing away the rest of your vote. It's not giving that candidate any extra influence, the way it would in approval voting.

Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by notriddle on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:39PM (#33123682)
> Ranked voting isn't vulnerable to bullet voting.

"Vulnerable to bullet voting" is the same thing as "violating the later-no-harm principle," which means that some forms of ranked voting are vulnerable, while others aren't.

- Borda Count is vulnerable to bullet voting, for the same reason as Score (giving points to anyone other than your first choice makes it less likely that your first choice wins, because it increases the score of your second and third choice).

- Condorcet systems are vulnerable to bullet voting, because the ordering of your second and third choices can potentially change who the Condorcet winner is.

- Instant Runoff is "immune" to bullet voting because the ranking of choices beyond the highest non-eliminated choice are ignored. This is also directly responsible for it being vulnerable to the spoiler effect, which makes non-bullet-voting pointless (any vote you cast that isn't for the candidate you expect to win is a waste of time, even though it technically doesn't harm you).

Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by ClayShentrup on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:14PM (#33126376)
later-no-harm is a bug not a feature. it's the whole reason IRV is so vulnerable to tactical voting.

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/later-no-harm-72c44e145510

for instance, alaska just elected peltola even though begich was preferred to peltola by a large 5% margin. palin voters preferred begich to peltola 10-to-1. but IRV ignored their 2nd choices. therefore they would have been better off strategically ranking begich as their favorite.

whereas with approval voting, once they cast a strategic vote for begich, it's safe to approve palin (and anyone else they prefer to their lesser evil). this is, in a nutshell, why score voting and approval voting (rated, not ranked, methods) are so superior. this is social choice theory 101.

https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/rcv-fools-pa...

Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by garaetjjte on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:51PM (#33113933)
Doing so would be ill-advised because it increases chances of winning for candidates that you actually dislike.
Re:Show HN: RankedVote – SurveyMonkey but focused on ranked-... by ClayShentrup on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:14PM (#33126368)
this is absurd. you're talking about what the CANDIDATE wants, not what voters (who actually do the voting) want.

STAR voting is shown to outperform virtually all other methods with any mixture of honest or strategic voters.

https://electionscience.github.io/vse-sim/VSEbasic/