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Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by unnouinceput on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:31AM (#33108654)
> I rather give my money to Satan, or even Google<

I giggled. When you go from "don't be evil" to this, you know you fucked up big time. This has to be the tagline of the decade in regards to Google ("Google!, the boss of Satan", hi hi hi).

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:35AM (#33108720)
Why?

Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. World changing at it's time still helping people around the globe.

Their research blog is fantastic and shows what they value.

Google Io focus on people and security and trust.

Google is much further away from evil than plenty of other companies.

Did they kill stadia? Yes.

Did actually anyone care? No. Because stadia didn't matter anyway.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by sbarre on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:43AM (#33108831)
If you think Google's biggest sin is killing Stadia, you stopped paying attention over a decade ago.
Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:16PM (#33110172)
I'm following well enough.

Have you checked the last Google Io?

They don't hide that they collect data.

Android is still open.

You can't expect Google to just give you a android distribution without their stuff for free just because.

You still can use it.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by alasdair_ on Thursday October 06, 2022 @03:00PM (#33112505)
>They don't hide that they collect data.

They have a mode in Chrome called "incognito mode" that, to the average person, strongly implies it doesn't collect data, yet of course it does.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by tpxl on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:08PM (#33113388)
Citation needed.

It says what it does right there when you open it, and collecting data _and sending it to google_ would be pretty damn weird in incognito mode.

You're not invisible to websites, ISPs, ... and it says so right on the page.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by hulitu on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:15AM (#33109290)
> Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free.

I paid for the phone and they are still collecting my data. For me this is not free.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by gpm on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:56AM (#33109919)
> I paid for the phone and they are still collecting my data.

You paid for the phone, not for the google services.

You're free to use non-google services on android. Moreover open street map, and numerous other email clients, exist - it's even a practical choice.

> For me this is not free.

No comment on this portion

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:20PM (#33110228)
You paid for a phone with Google.

That was your decision. There are other options.

And while you mind, billions are really happy to have a very secure and relativity cheap phone.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by squeaky-clean on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:28PM (#33110355)
We've just gone from "they're not evil" to "okay so maybe they are evil but that was your choice, and they're cheap" in the span of a single comment.
Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:03PM (#33110908)
Where?

I don't think Google is evil because they get money through ads.

I'm fine with that.

There is also a huge difference on how Google collects, stores and analysis your data vs. companies like Facebook.

I'm pretty sure Google actually knows we're your data is in comparison to Facebook

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by arrosenberg on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:31PM (#33110414)
How can you determine it is cheap when Google is anticompetitively subsidizing the cost with advertising and data collection? You could be getting hosed and never know it.
Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:59PM (#33111651)
Because android itself is free but I'm not seeing a lot of companies or you taking the time and effort to make an ad free Android phone for the same price or cheaper.
Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by arrosenberg on Thursday October 06, 2022 @02:19PM (#33111952)
A competitor can’t enter the market to compete on price because Google subsidizes their product with ads. Thats the very picture of predatory, anticompetitive behavior. You can’t know what the market would be if Android were forced to compete fairly.
Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:41PM (#33113816)
Microsoft did not leave the market because of googles ad revenue.

Apple is playing the game without ads as well.

Nokia could have forked android.

Google just continue to care enough.

The other companies could replicate it. The just don't mind

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by vlunkr on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:50AM (#33108927)
“Free”

They’re probably largely to blame for setting the precedent that Internet services should be free. And of course backed by selling user data or unsustainable venture capital backed business models.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by johnchristopher on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:11AM (#33109229)
Personally, I blame this wired article https://www.wired.com/2008/02/ff-free/
Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by dylan604 on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:50AM (#33108936)
>Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free. World changing at it's time still helping people around the globe.

That's just the fat, juicy worm dangling on the hook just waiting for you to take it all in--hook, line, and sinker.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:21PM (#33110252)
I use it without any issues and billions other do to.

I can decide if I'm okay with it or not. You are clearly not. I'm.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by version_five on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:51AM (#33108938)
> Google still provides android, Google maps, Gmail for free.

Not to belabor a frequently raised discussion topic, but "free" as in gratis is not the same as "zero dollars"

And google charges its customers

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by lostgame on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:12AM (#33109250)
>> ‘free’

Don’t make us all laugh. It’s ‘free’ because the user is the product, not the service.

Re:SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc by Bloedcoin on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:23PM (#33110283)
Why the f* would I need to clarify on hn that it's 'free' in sense of ad tracking?

We all know what it means. Still doesn't change the fact what the value for billion of people is real.