And the moment both groups are pretty large, the vaccinated and the least once infected with corona but the virus is never a suspect in certain groups.
Blood clots, myocarditis etc. is only ever attributed to the vaccine and not the virus.
This class of statements, or rhetoric generalizations which cannot be read as a logical statement (where 'only ever' is strict), should be avoided. False universal statements add nothing to the style - they may easily detract -, they are gratuitous, they are offensive, and technically they clash with the requirement of respect which seems to be implicit in the guidelines.
I can reassure you: yes, some of us wondered of what could have been the chance that blood circulation affecting diseases may have impacted, and also of the chances of other factors, and also of the weakness of such estimations, and finally of the limited time these vague thoughts deserve.
These groups only the vaccine as the culprit even if someone dies by accident
Sure, it is legit question. But for me personally not relevant, because I know more previously healthly people dead/serious ill because of vaccines and just one (obese) dead because of covid. I prefer to gather non-anonymous and non-generalized examples.
Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance.
You «jump[] to a biased conclusion» only when the conclusion is held - which you cannot conclude. The poster should keep it open: you should do the same. As you are mandated by the guidelines and the constraint against weak interpretations.
The vaccination status questions appear, because the theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while not needing to prove anything.
And it IS manipulative political question. We don't know his vaccination status nor when he was vaccinated. That happens to be private health information.
On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments.
To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy. Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.
> To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter.
We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines.
? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy.
You are lying. Practically, it is not experiment.
> Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.
What does that have to do with whether trying to imply vaccines are responsible for Kim Jung Gi? Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors".
The U.S. NIH says otherwise, e.g. here is one of the ongoing clinical studies, which continues through March 2023, https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584
Study Type: Observational
Official Title: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Permanente Southern California
Actual Study Start Date: May 15, 2021
Estimated Primary Completion Date: March 31, 2023
Estimated Study Completion Date: March 31, 2023
WHO lists 11 vaccines and 4 types, each with different mechanisms of action, effectiveness and safety, https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/
Protein subunit
RNA
Non Replicating Viral Vector
Inactivated VirusAlso there are way more then just 11 vaccines all in all.
It means that the outcome of vaccine studies which complete in 2023, e.g. medium-term adverse effects, identification of specific risk pools, mitigations for adverse effects, will primarily benefit those who receive treatment after the studies complete in 2023.
Any beneficial information from a study completing in 2023 would self-evidently not be available in 2021 and 2022, i.e. science would have yielded new scientific knowledge. Participating in an ongoing scientific procedure with partial data is a risk-benefit decision, but that does not make it any less of an experiment, when there is ongoing, parallel research, clinical trials and scientists working diligently to answer open questions.
It is. Vaccine trials cannot be speed up. Human biology is not changeable as some sources trying to tell you. You need time to observe for example changes in fertility. walterbell gave you links for more info.
"Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors"."
Sorry, but that is your biased deduction.
Only for those who are healthy and suddenly die because of chest pain. Also when you know personaly people that are seriously ill or dead because of vaccines, than it is really hard to not ask questions.
"That happens to be private health information."
It was and it should be. But since our governments decided to make those information mandatory for for/entrance to various places/etc., it is not private anymore.
Cardiovascular and heart disease information:
https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#t...
You speak about how political vaccines are and share links to most political institutions we have. How ironic is this?
It is quite unlikely he got vaccination shortly before his hearth attack. He would have had to have it while traveling for it to be close enough rather then, more sensibly, him taking vaccine at home around time most people took one.
Well... Maybe your conclusion is biased.
"Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance."
Why? I prefer individual, non-anonymous source of data. Without conclusions.
Under the unusual circumstances prevailing in many developed nations over the past couple of years, with the authorities and medical professions coercing entire populations into indiscriminately receiving experimental injections that have turned out to damage some low-covid-risk-persons' hearts, there is a generalized reluctance on the part of the same groups (government and medical bureaucracies) to acknowledge the damage their actions have inflicted. Your belief that vaccine-related fatalities are restricted to a period of a few days post-shot, is a result of the authorities' grudging admissions (and those only because the deaths are undeniable) rather than an accurate picture of what's going on.
Here's a link to a Danish study about the longer-term outlook for patients with acute myocarditis who were hospitalized, using pre-covid, pre-covid-shot data ("Long-term prognosis following hospitalization for acute myocarditis – a matched nationwide cohort study"): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14017431.2021.1...
From the abstract:
Prognosis in patients with apparently uncomplicated myocarditis is in general perceived as good, but data on long-term outcomes are sparse.
A bit further down...
Myocarditis in younger patients without prior cardiac disease was associated with a long-term excess risk of HF hospitalization, and death, even in patients free of events and HF medication 1 year after discharge.
Many nations are seeing a large increase in non-covid excess deaths of working-age persons and the magnitude of the effect seems to correlate with the uptake of mRNA and adenovirus-vector covid shots and boosters. It's hard to get to the bottom of what's going on now because the same people responsible for investigating this sort of thing have gone all-in on forcing shots onto people who mostly (non-elderly/non-direly-ill) aren't at risk of severe covid. Until the members of that cohort of experts and officials move on, retire, or are fired, I'm afraid that this will all continue to be either "baffling"/"mysterious" or falsely normalized.
Not really. Dropping dead from a widowmaker in your 40s, while not common, is hardly unheard of. Could have been something else, too, like an aortic dissection. Nobody knows but his doctor and maybe his family. Speculating gets us nothing. We know how to lead healthy lives, should we choose. And accidents still happen.
Sudden death of someone who looked in perfect shape and was only 47 brings a lot of questions. If someone find it inappropriate... Are those question appropriate to ask during entrance to restaurant?