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Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by dirtyid on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:35PM (#33100290)
Indian demographics is FAR worse than China's going forward. Her demographic divident is mostly done / wasted - the few affluent and educated states are aging out, massively overpopulated, under-educated and poor states are younger but have little prospects with atrocious labour particapation rate. That's a far bigger recipe for disaster than PRC who at ~5x per capita wealth and massive savings rate to manage demographic transition.

Reality is, India demographics is less blessing and more curse, she has to tackle a far larger overpopulation crisis with fewer resources and opportunities. Her economic growth / ability to generate new jobs has rarely kept up with population growth, and with automation, offshoring spreading out to smaller countries, there won't be same amount of manufacturing jobs to elevate India as it did PRC. India looks to be destined to get old while staying lower middle-income VS PRC who will at least enter high income. And once the old start dying in PRC , there will be huge amounts of generational wealth transfers that analysts predict will increase / sustain highend consumption. What Apple is really anticipating is being squeezed out due to geopolitics and rise in domestic PRC luxury brands.

That said, still India has 1.4B people and aggressive tariff policies to encourage local assembly / sales, but in terms of market power, there will be more high income PRC nationals vs Indians for Apple tax tier products, and that won't meaningfully converge unless India goes all in on income disparity.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by bamboozled on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:26PM (#33101988)
Why are you referring to India using human pronouns ? He/her? You can just say “India”.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by sbaiddn on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:18PM (#33103559)
Until very recently non-humans were often referred to, in English, with gendered pronouns. This persists in English speaking countries and cultures other than US/UK.

Countries have, historically, been identified as women not just in the written word but also in illustration, poetry, etc. The OP's relationship to his country is entirely on his terms not yours.

Furthermore the role of pronouns are not to refer to people, but generally to refer to nouns. In some cultures it is considered rude to refer to a person as a pronoun. So OP shouldn't be using "India" repetitively (which would tire the reader/listener). One can use "it" to refer to "India", OP will prefers to refer to India as a "she"

Some may find this backwards, or misogynistic. That's their problem.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:41PM (#33102621)
In languages with gendered nouns, countries, cars, boats, and houses are almost always female because they contain humans (and females have a womb).

English doesn't have gendered nouns, but this linguistic quirk runs deep enough in human psychology that we do sometimes use female pronouns to describe these things. Examples: "She's a beauty" (of a car), or "America and her allies."

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by causi on Thursday October 06, 2022 @08:18AM (#33107291)
That makes sense, except for the fact that in English, gendering inanimate objects is nearly always female. If you have a busted computer, you might say "I'm gonna resolder this pad and then she'll run just fine" but you'd almost never say "I'm gonna reseat this connector and then he'll boot up".
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by sbaiddn on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:29PM (#33103637)
"because they contain humans (and females have a womb)."

While I like the theory, its cute, I dont know that that's true. L'automobile is male in Italian and Spanish. And its easy for a native speaker in either language to come up with numerous examples.

In fact gender really is just grammar. We shouldn't see much into it trying to project ourselves into it. Otherwise, why can the same object have different genders through synonyms? Again:

La macchina L'automobile.

La yerba (granted in Spanish its lost its meaning as grass) El cesped

La nave Il barco

La embarcación El bote

Or changes from the addition of a mere diminutive:

Il banco La bancarella

Il barco La barchetta

Gender is just a classification, largely binary (although Spanish retains the neuter) that got the unfortunate sexual labels of male and female

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by mdrzn on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:34AM (#33105954)
> L'automobile is male in Italian and Spanish.

What? LA automobile is female.

> Il barco La barchetta

"IL barco" doesn't mean anything, it's "LA barca" which, again, is female.

I'd say that generally speaking "it's female when they contain people" is correct, but of course not always (LO ufficio = the office).

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by tamirzb on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:31AM (#33104400)
This sounds interesting but I don't think it holds true?

Going by the languages I have some knowledge of, that doesn't hold true for Portuguese, where the word "country" itself is masculine but the truth is different countries have different genders. I guess it would be the same for other latin languages? (at least for Spanish). German is also the same but the word "country" is neutral.

I guess it does somewhat hold true for my native language, Hebrew, where all the words you specified but "house" are feminine. So I guess it might also hold true for Arabic then?

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by alostpuppy on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:36PM (#33103323)
That is fascinating. It’s more or less like me trying to use the metric system.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by mperham on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:37PM (#33102106)
Approximately 80% of the planet does not speak English at all. Be kind.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by bamboozled on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:27AM (#33104692)
I speak multiple languages and I was asking a question, not trying to be unkind.

I asked the question because their English seemed so good to me that it seemed intentional, it also seemed unusual.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by ryan_lane on Thursday October 06, 2022 @02:01AM (#33104893)
I think gendering a country is something that's done specifically if you're relatively native in English.

To me it's the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from my grandparents. It's weird and old-fashioned. Even most news sources use the genderless "it" for countries nowadays.

It's honestly a bit cringy to read.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by dirtyid on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:56PM (#33103083)
Countries are occasionally associated with genders even in English (mother/father land etc). India is commonly referred to as her. Quick research into why:

>Bhārat Mātā ( Mother India in English) is a national personification of India (Bharat) as a mother goddess.

I don't know how valid, TBH I use pronouns because it's rhetorically tedious to keep typing country name.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by sbaiddn on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:34PM (#33103659)
You could use "it" as a non gendered pronoun.

But you don't have to. "it" is considered impolite, something you don't use for something you treasure. Furthermore English has a perfectly long history of referring to countries as shes. This has fallen in disuse in the past 50 years as we've gotten fussy about the sexes. But it is certainly not incorrect or foreign to English.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by dirtyid on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:09AM (#33104592)
>"it" is considered impolite

Basically this. I generally try to use variant of 2/3 letter country code instead of pronounces to reduce repetition, but IN/IND sounds awkward.