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Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by VyseofArcadia on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:08PM (#33099946)
Did no one read beyond the first paragraph?

This is an article about the effectiveness of large language models, which have learned to do tasks beyond regurgitating text despite only having been trained to regurgitate text.

As long as you are able to describe the task as a text stream and are ok with having a text stream as output, GPT-3 might actually be able to do the task with just a couple of examples as context. I saw a talk at Black Hat about using GPT-3 as a spam filter. Because GPT-3 has trained on so much spam, it knows what spam looks like. It just needs a couple of examples, and off it goes.

> The most complicated reasoning programs in the world can be defined as a textual I/O stream to a leviathan living on some technology company’s servers.

The references to the UNIX philosophy feel a bit tacked on, honestly. Probably just there to grab attention.

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by stinkytaco on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:30PM (#33100230)
It briefly discusses DALL-E and imagine models near the end, which seems to paper over a big part research in AI right now, but that also wasn't the point of the article, which is fair. What I find interesting is that this reminds me how AI is being trained on a very narrow set of human inputs. Images, text, possibly some video, but there's a huge amount of data governing human behavior that is none of those things. Facial expressions, body language, tone, diet, environment, etc. etc. etc. I'm sure it's coming, but it feels a long way off.
Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Thursday October 06, 2022 @02:44AM (#33105185)
> Because GPT-3 has trained on so much spam, it knows what spam looks like. It just needs a couple of examples, and off it goes.

it's seen so much spam it only needs a few examples of spam to work?

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by johnmorrison on Thursday October 06, 2022 @05:20AM (#33106240)
No, he's not contradicting himself.

He's saying: it has seen so much spam (without it necessarily having been labeled as such) already, that it only needs to see a couple examples labeled as spam in order to recognize the pattern in all of the spam it has seen before.

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Thursday October 06, 2022 @09:01AM (#33107674)
oh, gotcha.
Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by zwieback on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:12PM (#33099998)
The answer is "no, nobody read the article".
Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by mellavora on Thursday October 06, 2022 @03:08AM (#33105350)
what is this "article" of which you speak?
Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by verisimilitudes on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:49PM (#33100445)
I did; it's a shitty article that tries to connect the braindead UNIX philosophy to neural network nonsense. Of course, this is more than enough to reach the front page of Hacker News.
Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by comfypotato on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:57PM (#33101171)
I lost interest in the article itself, but I'm currently down a rabbit hole of one of its links [1]. It's the webpage of some random (random to me that is) person, but it has quite a bit of content (and links to other content). I consider this find a win!

[1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by foooobaba on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:35PM (#33101504)
When I was 12 I followed ESR’s guide on “how to become a hacker”. I wanted to learn hacking but didn’t know where to start or have anyone to ask. Started with html then c++ and using linux. For me, it’s probably one of the most important things I read, because it ultimately altered the trajectory of my whole life.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:33PM (#33103305)
Similar story for me, was encouraged on IRC by ESR (was randomly inquiring about a GPS software project that he turned out to be supporting - go figure).

His advice was that given ten years almost anybody can become a professional software developer.

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by odnes_lex on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:47AM (#33106036)
Like the OP, I owe much in my life trajectory to esr's How to Become a Hacker.

He's one of the people I've never met/barely interacted with who are dear to me.

He must be over 70 now, and it's been a few years he's neglected his- in past times- lively blog.

He used to be in financial straits, tried to launch a cultural initiative to draw support for Load Bearing Internet People like himself:

http://www.catb.org/esr/loadsharers/

He's still got a subscriberstar if you're looking to lighten your pocket.

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by 0x445442 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:58PM (#33102283)
ESR is random to you? Oh youngling, much to learn you have.
Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by VyseofArcadia on Thursday October 06, 2022 @09:22AM (#33107860)
Eric S. Raymond is a fairly prolific open source contributor, but he's probably most famous as an author and essayist, specifically of _The Cathedral and the Bazaar_, which arguably did more to popularize the notion of open source than Stallman ever did for free software [0].

I particularly like his series of posts about his modern rewrite of Crowther and Woods' Adventure, starting here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7536

[0] It helps that ESR's arguments where largely practical in nature rather than ideological. In particular, he coined the aphorism, "with enough eyes, all bugs are shallow".

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by comfypotato on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:52PM (#33113948)
Just finished "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". Good read. Having read "the innovators by walter isaacson", it's interesting to note how similar the two takes on the history are. It's almost like they're the truth! Glad you posted your comment here. It pushed me to actually dive in a read this essay.

Edit: O boy, I accidentally read "a brief history of hackerdom". Now to dive into what I actually meant to read

Re:Text Is the Universal Interface by wodenokoto on Thursday October 06, 2022 @06:20AM (#33106534)
Can I use it to pivot my csv files?