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Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by baq on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:57PM (#33098957)
What’s more amazing is that the NRO has multiple more capable telescopes in orbit as we speak and we’re celebrating that NASA doesn’t have to spend money to keep that old piece of hardware useful for a few more years. Which isn’t bad, don’t get me wrong, but it just feels odd that priorities are shifted so much towards black projects.
Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by walrus01 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:39PM (#33100335)
> What’s more amazing is that the NRO has multiple more capable telescopes in orbit as we speak and we’re celebrating that NASA doesn’t have to spend money

I have zero problem with the NRO's budget or its existence and mission statement, undoubtedly its data products are proving extremely helpful right now in a behind-the-scenes way stopping the Ukrainians from being overrun by the Russian army. In addition to the well publicized equipment (HIMARs, etc) provided by the US and NATO states there is certainly a large amount of data on russian armor movements, ammo dump locations, logistics depot locations etc being funnelled from the US into the Ukrainian military command.

Just because a project or budget is black doesn't necessarily mean it's useless or nefarious.

In addition to the above of course NASA should have a much higher budget. I would like it if they could spend it on things that aren't flying pork barrels like the SLS. If they want to launch huge heavy things to orbit, designing something in two pieces that can attach together and using two fully expendable Falcon Heavy launches right now would be a tiny fraction of the cost. Not even counting the theoretical capability of Starship.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by worried4future on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:08PM (#33100664)
> Just because a project or budget is black doesn't necessarily mean it's useless or nefarious.

Of course not, it does mean that we don't have the ability to know if it is useless or nefarious or not.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by walrus01 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:57PM (#33101179)
Theoretically the idea is you're supposed to elect trustworthy people with good judgment to the positions that sit on the Senate Intelligence Committee and other persons in the US government who approve the budgets of TS/SCI and similar programs....

In reality maybe this doesn't work so well.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by dmix on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:12PM (#33101297)
Something like the Church committee would be nice every decade or so.

Snowden showed they desperately need some light to shine on them once in a while.

Otherwise intelligence agencies have a historically consistent tendency to get a little too laissez faire with people's right.

NRO is probably the most secretive of all of them, but I'm assuming looking at pictures of Russian tanks and Chinese missile silos all day isn't the most civil-rights threatening thing vs storing billions of peoples emails, text messages, and phone calls like the NSA.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by cfraenkel on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:34PM (#33101496)
False, though common, misunderstanding of responsibilities. The NRO is the operator/owner of the space asset. The NSA is (one of) the customer getting data from the NRO space asset. (along with many other sources)
Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by walrus01 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:45PM (#33101594)
Though I would bet good money that a vastly greater percentage of what the NSA does for traffic interception, storage and analysis is related to terrestrial based networks (or terrestrial-to-local wireless like LTE) rather than space based, these days.
Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by adhesive_wombat on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:13PM (#33099156)
There are also two "Stubby Hubble" chassis sitting in storage because they're so obsolete that the NRO just donated them. However there is no budget to actually be able to use them.

If the famously secretive[1] NRO can just donate that, imagine how far ahead their newer stuff is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_Reconnaissance_O...

[1]: founded in 1960, but only officially acknowledged in 1973 and then by accident.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by 51Cards on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:52PM (#33099751)
I think one of those is currently being turned into the Wide-Field Infrared Survey Telescope, though I haven't heard about progress in awhile.
Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by contact9879 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:59PM (#33099835)
It's been renamed to the Nancy Grace Roman Telescope scheduled to launch May 2027.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace_Roman_Space_Telesc...

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by adhesive_wombat on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:09PM (#33099966)
Well colour me updated! That's nice to hear.
Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by rdhatt on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:05PM (#33099917)
... imagine how far ahead their newer stuff is.

Trump gave the whole world a good idea how far ahead the newer stuff is when he tweeted an image from an NRO satellite. Estimated at ~10cm/pixel resolution.

Scott Manley published a great break down: https://youtu.be/JRLVFn9z0Gc

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by kabdib on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:44PM (#33101040)
Go read _The Hubble Wars_.

It will make you angry. Aside from the mirror fault, there were a number of operational issues that Hubble ran into that the TLAs knew about (e.g., solar panel flapping, radiation around the Southern Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly resetting Hubble's computers, etc.) . . . and didn't tell anyone because of secrecy concerns.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by est31 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:09PM (#33101832)
> we’re celebrating that NASA doesn’t have to spend money to keep that old piece of hardware useful for a few more years.

I'm pretty sure that SpaceX is being paid for this. They are not a charity but a for-profit company.

Re:SpaceX exploring mission to boost Hubble by SyzygistSix on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:33PM (#33102057)
Jared Isaacman offered to pay for the mission, depending on if it's feasible.