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Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by vorpalhex on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:31PM (#33098572)
Central America has some very hard to solve cartel issues.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by mrchucklepants on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:35PM (#33098654)
End the drug war and the problem will solve itself.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by Jabrov on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:44PM (#33098791)
This statement makes no sense. Ending the drug war will not automatically end the existence of cartels.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by stickfigure on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:04PM (#33099028)
It just takes away 90% of their revenue, which is effective enough.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by uup on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:26PM (#33099341)
The issue is that the cartels are now endemic to the region. They're part of the government, they're extorting legal businesses, they're laundering the money and investing into legitimate businesses. You can't just undo their influence.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by stickfigure on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:04PM (#33102323)
You can still take away 90% of their revenue. There is no credible solution that does not begin with that step.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by uup on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:53PM (#33102701)
How does ending the drug war take away 90% of their revenue. If you legalize drugs, the cartels would become legitimate producers and corner the market through fear and intimidation.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by stickfigure on Thursday October 06, 2022 @12:09PM (#33110076)
#1 The price will drop to the floor.

#2 Most drugs can just as easily be produced domestically by pharmaceutical companies.

#3 Of the drugs that can't be produced domestically, the Mexican cartels are just middlemen that can be cut out entirely. There's no reason drugs from Colombia need to transit Mexico.

#4 If you're worried about Colombian cartels - see points #1 and #2.

We already went through this with alcohol and organized crime.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by didibus on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:43PM (#33099600)
I think logically the path for these is to become legal business entities no?
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:09PM (#33102805)
It worked with alcohol, why not with other drugs?

You don't see a lot of illegal speakeasies and moonshine stills around, do you?

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by soulofmischief on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:05PM (#33099034)
So.... you're saying we shouldn't end the drug war? Because without a doubt that would have a massive impact on cartels.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by concordDance on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:31PM (#33099428)
> So.... you're saying we shouldn't end the drug war?

You might want to reread his post or take reading comprehension lessons.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by soulofmischief on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:43PM (#33102635)
No, I comprehend just fine. Parent poster is making a completely unnecessary comment in order to play devil's advocate, when we all know universally that ending the drug war is an important step in the conflict against an organized crime unit which came to prominence because of said drug war.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by Jabrov on Sunday October 09, 2022 @02:18AM (#33138669)
I think you are actually not comprehending. I never said we shouldn’t end the drug war.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by soulofmischief on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @12:17AM (#33159461)
The original statement was derisive without actually offering any useful criticism, and I called it out by taking it to its logical conclusion. If you want more thoughtful replies, it starts with your own comment.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by boringg on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:13PM (#33099155)
They aren't only into drugs - cartels are around all products.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by ch4s3 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:43PM (#33098776)
They don’t just sell drugs. They’re woven into whole economies from tourism to construction and beyond.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by jarnagin on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:56PM (#33098936)
Evidence from California seems to suggest that ending the drug war locally has actually strengthened cartels: https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2022-09-08/ess...
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by didibus on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:49PM (#33099696)
I'm curious why growers feel it's still more advantageous to illegally grow? It must mean the risk/reward still dramatically favours illegal production. That's what needs to be addressed.

I think coffee/tobacco is probably a good example of what can be achieved with legalizing drugs. It might be the path to it is a bit slow as there's a transition, but I don't see why other drugs couldn't end up similarly to coffee.

Heck, you could argue it for everything even. Why do fruits and vegetables farms don't feel like going the illegal production route?

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by vineyardmike on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:20PM (#33100114)
> Heck, you could argue it for everything even. Why do fruits and vegetables farms don't feel like going the illegal production route?

I’ve never illegally bought drugs but I know people that have. I would not be comfortable doing it, but plenty of people are. Drugs, especially legal ones, are expensive.

I’ve never illegally bought fruit and I do not know anyone who has. I don’t know anyone who would be comfortable doing it. Legal fruit is not expensive.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by didibus on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:08PM (#33103493)
> Legal fruit is not expensive

Assuming we agree they aren't, why is that?

Or in other words, if we're saying it's because drugs are still too expensive and somehow illegal production can compete better on price, why is that?

Especially with weed, the process is so similar to any other commodity agricultural process.

> I would not be comfortable doing it, but plenty of people are

This seems transitory to me. If we take this separate to the price argument, I think it must be restricted to people that were already doing so prior to legal alternatives. Again, tossing the price factor out, I would suspect all new and future consumer would go to a legal source for purchase.

That said, the article talked about production, not wholesale. So it's not clear from the article that illegal sellers have risen, it's possible your street dealers have been impacted, but that legal vendors or byproduct makers are purchasing from the illegal supply chain still.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by vineyardmike on Thursday October 06, 2022 @02:29PM (#33112076)
> Assuming we agree they aren't, why is that?

Cheap labor. Low threshold for consumers to pay a lot, potentially government subsidy.

Drugs have way higher testing requirements. In California cannabis has intense testing and labeling requirements. Fruit doesn’t seem to. Also taxes of course.

> would suspect all new and future consumer would go to a legal source for purchase.

Oh absolutely agree. I think there’s a cohort that would way the drugs but not be willing to engage in illegal activity.

Maintaining stores and supply chains and not a guy with a burner phone and a beat up Toyota driving to a parking lot probably raises costs too (compared to illegal drugs, not fruit obviously). Same at every step of supply chain. The costs are likely high for compliance etc.

Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by googlryas on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:46PM (#33099656)
Yes, I'm sure the narco multi-millionaires will happily go back to being peasant-farmers after legalization.
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by brianwawok on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:43PM (#33098781)
So how do you propose to do that?
Re:Apple asks suppliers to shift AirPods, Beats production t... by sigstoat on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:37PM (#33098681)
alas, the cartels are not bound by normal lobbying rules.