Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
by aws_ls on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:43AM
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Thanks for the pointer to Milky Chess YT videos. The first one at 13.41 minutes has a clincher argument regarding a flat Centipawn loss at 2300 ELO and 2600 ELO. Don't think, another argument is needed.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
by treis on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:48AM
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This is all pointless comparisons though. Hans made his improvements during Covid times and The Queen's Gambit boom in online chess. Even if it's an extraordinary thing to happen we were in extraordinary times.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
by pedrosorio on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:22PM
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> Hans made his improvements during Covid times
None of the similarly rated players at the same age did anything similar during "Covid times and The Queens' Gambit boom".
Watch the videos I linked at the end of my comment and tell me how covid times contribute to that anomaly.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
by treis on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:33PM
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Unless they make a concrete accusation of cheating I'm not really interested.
These circumstantial accusations all boil down to "something unusual happened" but the world is full of unusual things happening. Nobody, AFAICT, has come out and said "Hans cheated in X OTB event. He did so by getting Y information by Z method".
IMHO everyone needs to either put up hard evidence or shut up.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
by camaaaargue on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:08AM
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> Make it make sense.
Hans Niemann didn't win the game. The incredibly dominating world champion lost it. He bodged the game and then threw a tantrum calling the other, weaker, player a cheater to save face because he couldn't stomach his own incompetence.
The rest is what is called "circumstantial evidence" in the lay press.
At the age of 18: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viswanathan_Anand#Early_chess_...
Also, according 2700chess.com he was #96 in the world with a rating of 2520 on January 1988. That's right after turning 18. Growing up in India (before the chess boom). Before chess engines existed. 6 months later he was #49 in the world. https://2700chess.com/players/anand
A year earlier (at 17), he had won the world junior chess championship (U-20). Not exactly a "strange meteoric rise" for Anand. The "GM at 18".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Junior_Chess_Championshi...
Meanwhile, at the same age of 18 (already during his covid boost), on July of 2021, Hans Niemann was #20 among all juniors (U-20), with a rating of 2571. Close to #300 on the global rating list: https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2093596/top https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2000059
Unlike Anand, no achievements of note until then (ok, he was 9th at U-16 World Youth Chess Championships in 2019). A year later he's a top 40 player, hanging out with the best and beating the (incredibly dominating) world champion with the black pieces. Make it make sense.
Also, take a look at this analysis of correlation between average (and stddev) of move accuracy vs rating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnnJ0Da4Rp0 - explained in the detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nEFaRdwZY - analysis applied to several players