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Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by glenstein on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:16PM (#33089763)
How representative is Aronian as an example of skill trajectories in chess?
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by JadeNB on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:21PM (#33089817)
> How representative is Aronian as an example of skill trajectories in chess?

It doesn't really matter, does it? There's a big difference between telling someone "if you're not a GM by age 14 [but actually I mean 15], then don't bother, it's hopeless" and "a typical top-level player reaches GM by age 14, but it is possible to reach that level even if you are a relatively 'late bloomer'." I'd prefer not to err on the side of telling people not to try.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by a-dub on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:25PM (#33089860)
as a rule it is decidedly uncouth in our society to use population statistics when speaking in terms of ability or potential, as the act of making those statements can bias real world abilities and potentials by setting expectations of limits.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by glenstein on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:08PM (#33101817)
>It doesn't really matter, does it?

It's literally the single most important fact in this context.

If there are lots of people like Aronian, then there's nothing out of the ordinary about the evolution of Hans Neiman as a player. If he's a rare and unusual example, he shouldn't be cited to suggest Hans' skill growth is within the norm.

>I'd prefer not to err on the side of telling people not to try.

This is a non-sequitur.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by dhikapow on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:47PM (#33090491)
There's a big difference between "[if you're not a GM by age 14], it is unlikely that you can reach the top levels of chess." and "..then don't bother, it's hopeless". The former statement is perfectly valid, nobody saying that it's hopeless
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by quadrifoliate on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:57PM (#33090566)
> nobody saying that it's hopeless

Well, it's a report about cheating which is essentially claiming that if you're not a GM by age 14, then you must be cheating. Which is...kind of the same thing.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by burnished on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:38AM (#33093209)
It literally does not say that. What do you want them to do? Leave out all the weird or suspicious stuff so that some other commenter will swing by and complain that they didn't analyze it?

The conclusion of their report is repeated several times; no evidence of OTB cheating.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by quadrifoliate on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:44AM (#33094747)
> Leave out all the weird or suspicious stuff so that some other commenter will swing by and complain that they didn't analyze it?

I don't think any serious commenters are going to complain about the absence of stereotypes about "the greats" unbacked by statistical analysis. That is what is bad. The actual analysis of anomalously fast progress at equivalent ages is fine.