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Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by dangerwill on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:32PM (#33086382)
How do you possibly look at Elon's incredibly irrational behavior and think he will lessen the insanity? What you mean is he will fire the people that you don't like.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by nailer on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:28AM (#33092359)
How is being concerned about fake user numbers irrational? It's rational to be concerned that the stats a company is being sold to you are correct.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by dangerwill on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @11:30AM (#33096850)
I meant Musk's behavior generally. Trying to pawn off an employee in a suit as a robot, the DOGE pump and dumping, joking about taking tesla private at $420 a share, calling that guy a pedo to his massive twitter following, creating the fake hyperloop project just to attempt to knee cap high speed rail, etc

As for the fake user saga, my take is that it is a transparently weak reason to try to walk back from the deal. I think the real story was that after he lost some financial leverage with the crypto downturn he is no longer able to finance the deal without making significant tradeoffs and decided to walk it back. Everyone who knows the internet well (and Elon lives online 24/7) knows that all social media networks have lots of bots so it's impossible for me to think that this is some surprise to him.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by dmix on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:39AM (#33095440)
I don't even think he cared much about the fake numbers in terms of the deal. I think he cares about them as a Twitter users.

He made a bet on the company that he clearly always and still does want. Then the price tanked so he made a gamble and used whatever he could to support his side.

From a purely business perspective it's not that big of a deal to risk some emails/messages leaking in discovery in exchange for a few billion dollars. And ultimately he gets what he wants regardless since it's as much a hobby as a business (like owning a sports team that loses money).

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by WJW on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:30PM (#33086353)
You think twitter will get less insane after Musk buys it? It's not as if (say) Tesla has been all that insanity-free TBH.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by naikrovek on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:31PM (#33086365)
average insanity per employee will definitely rise once he is on the payroll.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by Kye on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:40PM (#33086468)
All you get is a different ideology driving the same degree of absurdity.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by xmonkee on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:43PM (#33086522)
This is one of the most insane things I've read on the internet today.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:37PM (#33086438)
I'm looking forward to at least the potential for a mainstream social media site to be funded by something else than ads and "engagement".

Musk might be crazy and disagreeable, but his craziness is the only possibility for something like this to happen. Whether it'll work is anyone's guess, but at least we might have an attempt.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by rchaud on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:54PM (#33086684)
If Apple, the richest computer hardware company on earth, is giving in to the lure of ads, I doubt Twitter will be in any rush to separate itself from ads.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:20PM (#33087103)
Musk makes decisions that are often suboptimal when it comes to business and profit, so that's the way out.

I also have the feeling that he's bought this thing to stroke his own ego and have better control over his soapbox rather than a business purpose, therefore absolute profitability may not be his priority.

Furthermore, if he does this bet and it ends up proving that an ad-less business model makes more money in the long run, it may push the rest of the market out of the local maximum it's currently in and make them explore non-advertising monetization strategies.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by dirkg on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:47PM (#33088835)
Musk is a sociopathic pathological liar who's also conservative, the first thing he's likely to do is unban Trump, Along with all the other far right nutcases.

Not because he necessarily likes Trump but because its the most controversial thing he could do and his new Republican fan base will love him for it.

There is no version of reality in which Twitter owned by Musk is better in any sense.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by gonzo41 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:30AM (#33093580)
It'll be funny if he does unban trump. What every will happen to truth social!
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by wincy on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:21AM (#33091206)
I mean in the version of reality where I think Trump, Jordan Peterson, or anyone else should have a voice that sounds better in pretty much every sense.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by nailer on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:33AM (#33092412)
> the first thing he's likely to do is unban Trump, Along with all the other far right nutcases.

How is Trump far right? Has he ever advocated for a white ethnostate, rallied against Jews, gypsies and black people? Worn a swastika? Supported Hitler?

Please don't use words when you don't know the meaning of them. Trump is right wing (and fairly left of the right wing, he's socially liberal in many ways). He is not far right.

> Musk is a sociopathic pathological liar who's also conservative

What has Musk lied about? On what basis are you diagnosing him as a sociopath? How is Musk lowercase-c conservative?

Your entire post is full of severe assertions with no supporting arguments.

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Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by wincy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:07PM (#33087738)
Maybe. I think it’s quite possible Elon will just hand the CEO position back over to Jack and let him create the social media network he meant to create in the first place before he lost control.
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Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by systemvoltage on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:02PM (#33086834)
You guys remember when liberals/progressives used to stand up for free speech and flipping a middle finger to 3 letter agencies? It was beautiful.

The current liberatarian = cultural-left ~10 years ago.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by wincy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:26PM (#33087951)
I really miss that internet. I thought everyone else did too. I feel like I’ve stood in the same place as people have started to just decide they don’t believe in free speech when it’s not convenient?
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by CamperBob2 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:31PM (#33089312)
Not defending any form of censorship, but I will say that before 2016, many of us didn't understand just how programmable people were.

Or we suspected it, but just didn't want to admit it to ourselves.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by systemvoltage on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:25AM (#33091225)
This is the problem. Blaming it on people being programmable instead of looking at real issues of rust belt dwindling into starvation, shipping manufacturing overseas and letting our cities crumble into infrastructure rot.

But, yeah, still blame it on the programmability of the people. I guess, this is the testament to programmability of people to not look at real politik and sweep things under the rug.

We went from individual rights to mushy paper straws in less than 10 years. That's how far we've stooped.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by Cederfjard on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:19AM (#33091937)
> This is the problem. Blaming it on people being programmable instead of looking at real issues of rust belt dwindling into starvation, shipping manufacturing overseas and letting our cities crumble into infrastructure rot.

> But, yeah, still blame it on the programmability of the people.

Yes indeed, because the people affected by those problems tend to vote for the side that, to a much more severe degree than its counterpart, doesn’t have any real vision for solving them, but instead makes its base feel good with populistic propaganda.

You’re basically just saying there are real issues that people care about. Yeah, absolutely. That doesn’t mean that we aren’t also being manipulated and that it’s not something worth trying to solve.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:18PM (#33100072)
We went from individual rights to mushy paper straws in less than 10 years. That's how far we've stooped.

No, the Republicans went from a party that believed in free trade, free minds, freedom of conscience, and individual rights to a captive personality cult beholden to a New York real estate hustler who failed at selling steaks, booze, and gambling to Americans but who was strangely successful at selling real estate to Russians, and who promised to stack the courts with unqualified theocrats.

That's how far you've stooped.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by systemvoltage on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:23PM (#33100149)
This has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:25PM (#33100168)
Well, it's not as if there are any libertarians left.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by systemvoltage on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:42PM (#33101568)
Damn, you’re right. Just shows how bad things have gotten. SV used to be quite libertarian. John Carmack and John Romero wouldn’t fit in today’s SV culture. Surprising because I assume intellectuals wouldn’t fall for woke culture and they’d reject it out right. Instead, SV intellectuals have embraced it hard and fast; and chief proponents of it.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by systemvoltage on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:36PM (#33088067)
Silicon Valley used to have such a great sense of optimism and principled approach towards individualism. Highly inspiring and optimistic. Today, I can’t even say I like Steve Jobs without getting labeled something.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by wincy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:05PM (#33087718)
Being principled for free speech sounds just awful. I don’t know how we’ll survive all these crazy libertarians not moderating discussion to support a very narrow San Francisco-centric worldview.